Prabhupada: So in another place Krṣṇa says, janma karma me divyaṁ yo janati tattvataḥ; [Bg. 4.9]. Karma, every living entity is bound up by the resultant action of his own karma, but Krṣṇa is not like that.

The, in the English constitutional law it is said that "The King can no, king can do no wrong." King can order punishment for the criminal, but the king is never criminal. King cannot be punished. Your President Nixon is fighting on this point. Although people wants to impeach him, he's fighting on this point, that "I am not wrong." Actually, that much facilities must be given to the head executive. If he becomes under the laws, then his position is not exalted. The... That is the principle of accepting in the highest order of life.

So in the material condition, that is not applicable perfectly, but so far spiritual condition is concerned, God must be given full freedom. Otherwise there is no meaning of God. If God is also under the, under your laws... Sometimes: "Why God has done like this?" They inquire like that. This question sometimes put. "Why God has put us into this condition?" These are foolish questions. But the real conception of God is that He is free to do anything, whatever He likes. You cannot say, "Why God can... Will... God will do this, will do not that." No. That is not the conception of God.

So here Krṣṇa says that na me karma-phale sprha. He is atmarama. Atmarama. Atmarama means He is fully satisfied in Himself. And He can create so many things. He is creator. So there is no question of desiring something. He can do anything, whatever He likes. But... That will be explained.

He sets example. Just like in the previous verse. We have already discussed.

catur-varṇyaṁ maya srṣṭaṁ
guṇa-karma-vibhagasaḥ;
tasya kartaram api maṁ
viddhy akartaram avyayam
[Bg. 4.13]

Although He has set up the principle of varṇasrama-dharma, but He's not within the varṇasrama-dharma. Just like Krṣṇa takes the incarnation of becoming a pig, but that does not mean He is a pig. Ordinary conception of pig we have got. Or He takes the incarnation of a fish, but that does not mean He's ordinary fish.

So similarly, He comes here as a human being, as son of Nanda Maharaja, or husband of Rukmiṇi, or son of Vasudeva, but actually, He is nobody's son. He is everybody's father. He is the origin. Nobody can be cause of His creation. This idea should be understood. And if anyone understands that Krṣṇa, or God, is not under any rules and regulation and laws of this material world, then he understands Krṣṇa perfectly.

Just like Krṣṇa performed the rasa dance. At the midnight many young girls came by hearing His flute, and He danced with them. This is, from Vedic standard, it is not very moral. Because at dead of night, with others' wives or sisters or daughters, to dance... Krṣṇa was young. That is not very good example from Vedic principles. But He did it. So, so... And that is the highest understanding of Krṣṇa consciousness.

Gopi-bhava-rasamrtabdhi-lahari-kallola-magnau muhuḥ;. All the Gosvamis, even Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu... He was a sannyasi. He was very strict about woman. No woman could come near Caitanya Mahaprabhu. As a sannyasi. But Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommended, ramya kacid upasana vraja-vadhu-vargeṇa ya kalpita: "There is no better method of worshiping Krṣṇa than the method conceived by the gopis."

And the Gosvamis also... Srila Rupa Gosvami... Vande srila-rupa-sanatanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau. The Six Gosvamis, they gave up their material opulence. Tyaktva turṇam aseṣa-maṇḍala-pati-sreṇiṁ sada tucchavat. They gave up their... They were ministers of the government, very exalted position. Their associates were most aristocratic persons. But he gave up everything. Tyaktva turṇam aseṣa-maṇḍala-pati-sreṇim. Maṇḍala-pati means leaders of the society, big, big men, zamindars or government officers. So he gave up, tucchavat, considering them most insignificant. Tyaktva turṇam aseṣa-maṇḍala-pati-sreṇiṁ sada tucchavat bhutva dina-gaṇesakau karuṇaya. They have, gave up their opulent family. He was also belonging to the aristocratic family. He gave up. And became a mendicant, beggar, madhukari. They were asking one capaṭi from one grhastha. They would not accept three or four or..., capaṭis at a place. Only half, one, like that. All in this way.

So so much in the renounced order of life. But they lived—how? Gopi-bhava-rasamrtabdhi-lahari-kallola-magnau muhuḥ;. They were always thinking of the gopis' dealing with Krṣṇa. So from this standpoint of view, the, the dealings of the gopis with Krṣṇa, that is not these ordinary human dealings. That is all spiritual. Without understanding the spiritual platform of Krṣṇa and the gopis... Nobody try to understand it. Then they will be misled. So... Therefore Krṣṇa says. People may not be misled. Sometimes He's seen to be acting against the social laws. Therefore Krṣṇa warns, na maṁ karmaṇi limpanti: [Bg. 4.14] "These social, political or religious laws do not apply to Me." Na maṁ karmaṇi limpanti.

This question was raised by Parikṣit Maharaja when Sukadeva Gosvami described the rasa-lila. So that... "Krṣṇa appeared on this material world, dharma-saṁsthapanarthaya, paritraṇaya sadhunam [Bg. 4.8], dharma-saṁsthapanarthaya. So why He violated these rules of dharma?" Violation because, according to Vedic civilization, nobody can mix with other's wife or other woman. Even in moral principle, as Caṇakya Paṇḍita said, matrvat para-dareṣu. "All women should be treated just like mother." Not like the present society. Formerly, every woman should be addressed as "mother," Mataji. And now they have invented "Bahinji." No. Woman should be addressed as "mother." Matrvat para-dareṣu.

So this question was put forward by Parikṣit Maharaja before Sukadeva Gosvami, "How Krṣṇa danced with others' wives and sisters, like that?" This is against principle of dharma. So just to clear the position of Krṣṇa... Krṣṇa is personally said, personally saying also, and this is confirmed by Sukadeva Gosvami that tejiyasaṁ na doṣaya [SB 10.33.29]. Krṣṇa cannot be polluted.

Because by chanting Krṣṇa's name one becomes purified, how Krṣṇa can be polluted? If, by chanting... Ceto-darpaṇa-marjanam... paraṁ vijayate krṣṇa, sri-krṣṇa-saṅkirtanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And in another place, kirtanad eva krṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ; paraṁ vrajet [SB 12.3.51]. Simply by chanting the holy name of Krṣṇa, one becomes freed from all sinful activities. Kirtanad eva krṣṇasya. Especially. Kirtanad eva krṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ;. He becomes free from all contamination.

In material world we are simply becoming contaminated. Therefore karmaṇi limpanti. In the... We are becoming entangled by the reaction of our karma. Karmaṇa daiva-netreṇa jantur deha upapatti [SB 3.31.1]. By karma, the jantu, means living entity, is getting different types of body one after another, one after another. In this way he's wandering 8,400,000 forms of bodies. This is karma. Therefore to the living entities, as we are... We are bound up by the laws of karma. But Krṣṇa is not like that. Na maṁ karmaṇi limpanti.

This is to be understood. Unless we understand Krṣṇa, that He is not bound up by the material laws, then we do not understand Krṣṇa. And if anyone understands it perfectly, then what is the result? The result: iti maṁ yo 'bhijanati karmabhir na sa badhyate [Bg. 4.14]. If one understands clearly that Krṣṇa is not under any material laws, then he also becomes not bound up by any material laws. Simply by knowing it. Karmaṇi nirdahati ca bhakti-bhajam.

In the Brahma-sutra it is said... Brahma-saṁhita. Yas tv indra-gopam athavendram aho sva-karma... Indra, indra-gopa, and the King Indra, both are named as indra. Yas tu indra-gopam atha maha-indra sva-karma-phala-bhuk. Everyone is enjoying the resultant action of his karma. Yas tv indra-gopam athavendram aho sva-karma-bandhanurupa-phala-bhajanam atanoti [Bs. 5.54]. Everyone is enjoying or suffering the resultant action of his karma. Sva-karma-phala-bhuk. But karmaṇi nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhajam [Bs. 5.54]. But one who is in the devotional service, although he has to suffer the resultant action of his past karma, but that is reduced to the minimum. Karmaṇi nirdahati. Or practically no.

For whom? Bhakti-bhajam, those who are devotees, who are devotees. So who can understand Krṣṇa is not under the laws of any material nature? Only the bhaktas. Bhaktas can understand. Who can understand Krṣṇa? Bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg. 18.55]. Only the bhaktas can understand Him. Therefore Bhagavad-gita was spoken to Arjuna, bhakto 'si, "You are My devotee." So Krṣṇa, Krṣṇa's name, Krṣṇa's form, Krṣṇa's attributes, Krṣṇa's pastimes, they can be understood by the bhaktas only, not the nondevotees. Nondevotees cannot understand that na maṁ karmaṇi..., this process, that Krṣṇa is not bound up by any material laws.

The example is given by Sukadeva Gosvami to Maharaja Parikṣit: tejiyasaṁ na doṣaya [SB 10.33.29]. Tejiyasam. Just like the sun. The sun is evaporating the urine from the street. But that does not mean sun is infected. Although sun is evaporating the urine, the stool, or any contaminated place... Rather, he is, sun is sterilizing that process. This is practical. If sunshine is anywhere, even the most contaminated place, the sun does not become contaminated, but the place becomes purified. Is it not a fact?

Similarly, Krṣṇa... Krṣṇa was very beautiful. So gopis became attracted with Krṣṇa. As it is natural, a young boy is attracted with young woman or young girl is attracted... That is natural. Yuvatinaṁ yatha yunaḥ;.(?) It is natural. So the gopis, they were attracted by Krṣṇa's beauty. And therefore they went to Krṣṇa. But the result was that the gopis became purified; Krṣṇa remained uncontaminated. This is understanding of Krṣṇa. Some way or other, if one reaches Krṣṇa, he becomes... Kamat krodhad bhayat. Either by lusty desire or by anger or bhayat... Just like Kaṁsa. Kaṁsa was always thinking of Krṣṇa, that "Krṣṇa is coming. So how shall I kill Him? How shall I kill Him?" Bhayat, out of fear. So he also got salvation. Krṣṇa killed him. He got salvation. So gopis approached Krṣṇa out of lusty desire, but they became purified. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, ramya kacid upasana vraja-vadhu-vargeṇa ya kalpita. So even one approaches Krṣṇa with impurity, he becomes purified. Now, Krṣṇa does not become impure. Don't think like that. Therefore Krṣṇa said,

kṣipraṁ bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantiṁ nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktaḥ; praṇasyati
[Bg. 9.31]

So somehow or other, approach Krṣṇa. Then your life is perfect. Krṣṇa does not become imperfect. Krṣṇa is always... In the Isopaniṣad: apapa-viddham. Description of God is there. Apapa-viddham. That Krṣṇa, or the Lord, is never contaminated by any so-called... For Him, there is nothing sinful. This is understanding of Krṣṇa. Na maṁ karmaṇi limpanti [Bg. 4.14]. Why He should be? Therefore, if anyone understands, studies Krṣṇa perfectly, about His activities, about His birth, about His name, about His form, anything... He has got everything like us. He has got His form. He has got His activities. He has got His attributes. Everything is there. But they're all transcendental.

Therefore His name is sac-cid-ananda-vigrahaḥ;. Isvaraḥ; paramaḥ; krṣṇaḥ; sac-cid-ananda-vigrahaḥ; [Bs. 5.1]. His vigraha is sac-cid-ananda. His vigraha is not like us. The Mayavadis, they mistake. Therefore they imitate Krṣṇa. The rascal Mayavadis, they imitate Krṣṇa. "I am Krṣṇa. I can play flute like Him. I become Krṣṇa, by playing flute." This is all rascaldom. Krṣṇa's vigraha is different. You cannot imitate Krṣṇa. Even you imitate, that does not mean you become Krṣṇa. This is rascaldom. Krṣṇa is not... Na maṁ karmaṇi limpanti. Therefore Krṣṇa says, this, janma karma me divyam [Bg. 4.9]. That is all transcendental. Krṣṇa's body... Just like sac-cid-ananda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1]. Krṣṇa's body is eternal. My body is not eternal. So how can I imitate Krṣṇa? Krṣṇa's body is eternal, sat. Krṣṇa's body is full of knowledge. And I am full of ignorance, my body. I do not know. If there is some disease in the finger. But...

Just like the other day. There was some trouble. Now automatically, the skin is being purified. So I do not know how it is being done. Therefore full of ignorance.

But Krṣṇa is not like that. Sat cit. Cit means knowledge. He knows everything. Not only Himself. He knows everything. Vedahaṁ samatitani [Bg. 7.26]. Krṣṇa says, "I know everything." In the Bhagavatam it is said, janmady asya anvayad itaratas ca artheṣu abhijñaḥ; [SB 1.1.1]. Krṣṇa knows everything. But I do not know. I do not know how many hairs are here. And still I am claiming I am Krṣṇa.

So do not compare Krṣṇa with any human body. That is great offense. To think of Krṣṇa as, ordinary human being and as equal, or a human being is Krṣṇa, these are, two things are offensive. Aparadha. Mayavadi haya krṣṇe aparadhi. That is the statement of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Mayavadi, those who think that "Krṣṇa is like us," Mayavadis, they are aparadhi, they are offender to Krṣṇa. They are punishable. They are punishable, offender. Therefore we should rightly understand Krṣṇa.

His activities we should not imitate. Krṣṇa's activities are worshipable. We cannot imitate Krṣṇa's activities. Janma karma me... His activities are transcendental. You cannot... How you can imitate? Can you imitate to lift a mountain as Krṣṇa did? You can imitate falsely Krṣṇa's rasa-lila. That is very easy. But can you imitate Krṣṇa to lift up the mountain? Then how you are Krṣṇa, equal with Krṣṇa? This is all rascaldom. Krṣṇa is sac-cid-ananda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1], and you have got this rotten material body. Therefore cannot be compared with Krṣṇa. This rotten material body is subjected to the material laws. But Krṣṇa is not under the material laws. That is real understanding of Krṣṇa. Janma...

And if you really understand... That is stated here. Iti maṁ yo 'bhijanati. In this way, if one understands Krṣṇa, karmabhir na sa badhyate, he does not become entangled with the karma. In another place it is also confirmed: janma karma me divyaṁ yo janati tattvataḥ;. If one understands Krṣṇa's activities, Krṣṇa's birth and Krṣṇa's form, Krṣṇa's attributes, if one can understand tattvataḥ;, in truth, not by mental speculation. In truth, as it is, then what happens? Tyaktva dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. He does not get any more material body after leaving this body.

So try to understand Krṣṇa on this principle, as Krṣṇa says. Don't imagine, don't speculate. Then your life will be perfect.

Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya! [break]

Jagadisa: ...Srimad-Bhagavatam there is one sloka which describes that Maharaja Yudhiṣṭhira and his younger brothers all attained the spiritual world in the self-same body. Does this mean that they had their spiritual bodies while they were on the earth?

Prabhupada: Yes, that is possible. They went to heaven, heavenly planet? No? No, where? Where it is?

Jagadisa: Bhagavatam, they are, you described that they were going to the Krṣṇaloka planet.

Prabhupada: Hm. So that's all right. But not this body. With their spiritual body. Yes.

Brahmananda: In your lecture you quoted Caṇakya Paṇḍita that a man must see every woman other than his own wife as mother. How should a woman see other men?

Prabhupada: As son. (laughter)

Brahmananda: That was my idea.

Prabhupada: Yes. If I see woman as mother, she must see me as son. That's all. That is the system. The brahmacari, the sannyasi go to beg alms from door to door. "Mother, give me some bhikṣa, alms." And it is the duty of the grhastha to treat brahmacari and sannyasi as their son. As they maintain their children with food, shelter, cloth, similarly the brahmacaris and sannyasis, they are dependent on the society. They should be treated as the sons of the society. And they must supply their necessities, bare necessities. A sannyasi, brahmacari, does not want more than what they need. They should not collect more than what they need. Bhikṣa nirvahana. Not collect more and enjoy at others' cost. No. That is not the business of sannyasi. They can collect so much as they need. That's all.

Devotee: When you address a woman, do you...

Prabhupada: Hm?

Devotee: When you address a woman do you use the word "Mataji"? Is that the right, proper word for her?

Prabhupada: Mataji. Yes, very good. "Mother." All right. Chant. (end)

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