Atreya Ṛsi: Both. It's also curing us, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat. You'll find, not find any medicine throughout the universe that you'll be benefited either you die or be... This is the only medicine. In both ways you are... The death is inevitable. You die today or tomorrow. So by taking this medicine, if you die, you have the greatest benefit. And if you live, enjoy. If you die, enjoy; if you live, enjoy. Go on chanting. (kirtana) [break] No, I have no objection. (laughter) I am prepared in either way. What is that machine they keep? Husking machine?

Upendra: Asking machine?

Tamala Krsna: Husking machine.

Prabhupada: That from paddy, rice is taken away by beating.

Bhavananda: (whispering) That's the...

Prabhupada: In your country there is no such thing.

Tamala Krsna: In Mayapura we have seen.

Prabhupada: It is called ḍhenki.

Bhavananda: Ḍhenki.

Prabhupada: That is Indian. (Bengali) Ḍhenki? (Bengali)

Tamala Krsna: Jayapataka must know.

Prabhupada: Jayapataka must know.

Tamala Krsna: What is that husking machine?

Bhavananda: Ḍhenki?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhavananda: Ḍhenki.

Jayapataka: Ḍhenki.

Prabhupada: So the ḍhenki... If you send the ḍhenki to heaven, so what it will do? Same business. Either the ḍhenki is kept here or in the heaven, his business to do that "Dag, dag, dag, dag..."So?

Jayapataka: Next group is there.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: He says the next group is ready.

Jayapataka: Can I give the report, Tamala?

Prabhupada: (Bengali) Yes? Next person? [break] (Bengali) By passing wind if there is somebody benefit, they'll not pass. Such a low-grade man. Therefore they are ruined, those men. There is not a single upright. You cannot expect that they will willfully, willingly...

Jayapataka: No, we'll get that by hook or by crook.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is only... Sathe sartham samacaret.(?) They are first-class cheater. We shall cheat them. (laughter) Don't worry. This is only... They have ruined the institution, all third-class, fourth-class men.

Jayapataka: He knew that it was right. He couldn't deny it. But he has got no power to... No willpower.

Prabhupada: No power? No, he has power. He'll not do. He has power.

Jayapataka: Yeah, that's what I mean. He has got no personal character to do it.

Prabhupada: No. He has power.

Jayapataka: He wrote it, "No one can say otherwise."

Prabhupada: No... That is only way. Just take it. Let it happen only. Then we shall see. But he'll not do that because they are very, very cripple-minded, mean-minded, and by hook and crook they have... And what they have done? For the last fifty years they are working in Caitanya Maṭha. There is not even a natha-mandira.

Jayapataka: The other temples they have not even maintained. Only Caitanya Maṭha somehow or another they are maintaining, but the other branches are falling apart.

Prabhupada: Yes. The same condition as it was. They have no life, dead body. Now it will deteriorate more and more. Tirtha Maharaja, envious, managing. And they will not give. So tit for tat. You can do that. Then that is very glorious. That is a different country, different law. Some way or other, if you get the sympathizer, then take it.

Jayapataka: The local committee, they want to give. They're coming June 4th to see him. I said, "There's no use to see him."

Prabhupada: No.

Jayapataka: They said, "But we feel, etiquette, we should give him the chance. We'll tell him that 'You've not done anything forty years. You're not going to do anything. Why don't give it to Srila Prabhupada of ISKCON? Let them develop,' 'cause we need the preaching. And if he denies, then we'll come back to Dacca, pass resolution and give it to ISKCON."

Prabhupada: That's all. That is... That will be glorious. They are very mean-minded. All mean-minded class, they are assembled together. That's all.

Jayapataka: You are like the sun, Srila Prabhupada. In front of you the darkness cannot remain. Everything is visible as it is. Your words remove all doubt.

Prabhupada: Even... He's... Even a simple Vaisnava, he also advocated, "Why you are keeping?"

Jayapataka: Yeah. Krsna dasa Babaji.

Prabhupada: Although he's considered their man, but his business is Vaisnava. He told the real truth. That is Vaisnava. "Why you are holding? You cannot do anything."

Jayapataka: Even they give it, they're not giving anything.

Prabhupada: No.

Jayapataka: 'Cause they can't hold, anyway. (laughter)

Prabhupada: That is the...

Jayapataka: (Bengali)

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: You told me.

Prabhupada: And these acarya and president, they are less than paid servant. They are afraid of.

Jayapataka: Yeah, Tirtha's brother and some...

Prabhupada: That "Some way or other, we're keeping some position." And if Samvit kicked him out, then where is his position? That is another problem. This Radha-Govinda Maharaja, what he can do if he's driven away? In this age he cannot have his own institution. And in this age where he'll go? They are... "These politicians, these old men, they cannot do now. So give them some false position, that 'You are president, acarya.' They will not rebel at least." And as soon as they do something against them, "We shall drive away: 'No, you cannot be president. Another president.' " That's all. They had no love for him, neither he has any love for them. It is simply official. This Samvit dasa one, Samvit, also not very intelligent. Tirtha Maharaja's son, he wants to keep the property in his name and utilize it for his personal... That way... Preaching and preaching and..., they don't care for. And you said that there is some, still some strength amongst themselves.

Jayapataka: Yes, there's some... Some amongst them are trying to get the Govinda and other to be strong, to withstand them, but I don't think they have that strength.

Prabhupada: No.

Jayapataka: There's some undercurrent in there.

Prabhupada: No, he can, but he has no such plan. If he imposes his power as president, he can do that. But he's afraid. He cannot make any disciples... That is...

Jayapataka: Saman Maharaja. As acarya, I think he makes disciple. He cannot any administrative... Administrative is Govinda Maharaja. Something like that.

Prabhupada: That means both of them are being conducted by higher authority. Anyway, if the local men, they pass resolution like that, that is very good.

Jayapataka: They're thoroughly disgusted. They can see all of these things. When I told them of your losing... They're very determined.

Prabhupada: If they... And if they call, we shall immediately...

Jayapataka: The situation there is precarious. There are vast majority of Muhammadans. Constantly the Hindus are being..., not have any chance to worship or to have any strength or spiritual life.

Prabhupada: There is no philosophy, no science, nothing at the temple. A small Deity, small.

Jayapataka: Smallest. Even that, there's not regular bhoga or prasada distribution, nothing. The people there, they came and asked me that "Why you don't establish, do some samskara? You establish your mandira here." I said, "You tell the man here to give to us. Immediately I am putting one chada(?) on this natha-mandira and distributing prasada weekly, five hundred people." They surrounded, that man said, and practically everything less than physically grabbed him. They were yelling at him, "Why you are not giving?" Says, "If you don't do, then we'll make our own committee and give."

Prabhupada: Yes. Do that. They are simply... They can do.

Jayapataka: And everyone appreciates your work, Srila Prabhupada. What you've done for Gauḍiya Vaisnava, no one has done.

Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, that same group of GBC that met with you yesterday...

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhavananda: The GBC men that met with you yesterday, they'd like to see you again. They have one more resolution.

Prabhupada: All right.

Jayatirtha: You're feeling a little stronger today, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayatirtha: Something.

Prabhupada: Little improvement there is.

Jayatirtha: Good medicine.

Prabhupada: Yes. No, I am very much confident of this medicine because nobody is prepared to die, but I am prepared to die. That much strength I have got. Generally people do not like to die. But I will be very glad to die if Krsna wants. This is... And I shall stay with you. I have no objection either way. But I am not afraid of death. That much strength I have got. Why shall I be afraid? There is no cause of...

Jayatirtha: Jaya.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Bhakta-sane bas. Such a great opportunity. You are all pure devotees. To live with you and to die while you are chanting, such a great opportunity. So there is no question of being afraid of death. [break] Hm?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, of course, we have our preference.

Prabhupada: I have no objection. I have no... [break] Whatever His desire is, I... (end)