Prabhupada: Fifth Canto, fifth chapter.

Tamala Krsna: Fifth Canto, fifth chapter? I don't have the first volume, Srila Prabhupada. We only have the second volume of Fifth Canto with us.

Prabhupada: No other Bhagavatam?

Tamala Krsna: We do. We have Prahlada Maharaja's teachings, Seventh Canto.

Prabhupada: No, Bhagavata original?

Tamala Krsna: Original Bhagavatam.

Prabhupada: Then?

Tamala Krsna: Panḍitaji might have taken.

Prabhupada: Ask Pradyumna.

Upendra: Is he downstairs?

Tamala Krsna: I don't think so.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Upendra: Panḍitaji's not here.

Prabhupada: Why he does not remain here?

Tamala Krsna: He does his work at the Svargasrama. He's supposed to come here to explain. He's been coming every day.

Prabhupada: You recite that verse, nunam pramattaḥ; kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB 5.5.4]. The instruction of King Ṛsabhadeva to His sons. He said that "This body, human body..." Ayam dehaḥ;. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke. Deha. Everyone has got deha, body. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, tatha dehantara-praptiḥ;: [Bg. 2.13] "After this body is finished, another body...," because atma, na jayate na mriyate va, nityaḥ; sasvato 'yam na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. Atma is eternal. There is no birth, no death. Nitya, eternal; sasvataḥ; puranaḥ;, the oldest; and na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. Therefore this is the problem. The atma has no birth, no death, and neither he is dead after the annihilation of this body. But we are put into this condition. We are not put, but we have put ourself. We are putting ourself in this condition of repetition of birth and death. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. Once we take birth, and again we annihilate this body. So Ṛsabhadeva says, "This ignorance of self-realization must be removed." Therefore He says, ayam dehaḥ;: "This body should not be misused like animals," ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. This is the advice. Ayam dehaḥ; nrloke. He especially mentions, nrloke: "in the human form of body." The dog, cat, or doglike man, catlike man, they may remain in ignorance. They have no chance. There are uncivilized men. Although they have got two hands, two legs, but because there is no knowledge, they have been described as dvi-pada-pasu. They are animal with two legs. Other animals, they have got four legs, and this rascal has got two legs. That is the difference. So ayam dehaḥ;, this body, na ayam dehaḥ; nrloke... Nayam dehaḥ; nrlo..., deha-bhajam. Deha-bhajam. This is also very significant. There are innumerable living entities. Jiva-bhagaḥ; sa vijñeyaḥ; sa anantyaya kalpate [Cc. Madhya 19.140]. These jivas, living entities, part and parcel of God, anantyaya kalpate. Just like the sunshine. What is the sunshine? The sunshine, this is very atomic parts of the sun brightness. They are individual, but they are combined. We see one shining. So similarly, God is compared with the sun, and we are atomic particles of God, the same thing in a very small... Kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc. Madhya 19.140]. You take the tip of the hair and divide it into ten thousand parts, and that one part is the formation of the jiva.

kesagra-sata-bhagasya
satadha kalpitasya ca
jiva-bhagaḥ; sa vijñeyaḥ;
sa canantyaya kalpate
[Cc. Madhya 19.140]

You cannot count how many there are. Now these, some of the jivas, not all of them... Majority of them, they live in the spiritual world, just like majority of the population of the state, they live outside the prison house. Prison house means some of the citizens who are criminals, they are put into the jail. Similarly, these living entities who are criminals, means who have rebelled against the order of God, they are sent here, in this material world. So they are suffering one term after another. Therefore here is the chance, ayam dehaḥ; nrloke. In the form of human body you can get out of it. Tyaktva deham punar janma [Bg. 4.9]. This is chance. And therefore Ṛsabhadeva says, "My dear boys, you don't spoil your life." "I am working and enjoying. I am not spoiling." "No, this kind of working is done by the cats and hogs." Kasṭan kaman arhate viḍ-bhujam ye: [SB 5.5.1] "For sense gratification the hogs and dogs, they also work very hard and then enjoy senses. So this body is not meant for that purpose." You are thinking that you are working so hard, karmi, and big, big skyscraper building and nice motorcar, nice roads. Electricity you have discovered. You are very advanced. Ṛsabhadeva says, "This kind of advancement..." [break]...motorcar. "Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" Therefore He warns, "No, no, no, no. This is not civilization." Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kasṭan kaman [SB 5.5.1]. "So much hard labor for sense gratification? This is not good." Then? What it is meant for? Tapo divyam. So human life is meant for tapasya, self-realization, atma-suddhi. Atma can be purified from the contamination of the material modes of nature by tapasya. That is real civilization. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam. Your existence will be purified. Now your existence is not purified. Therefore you have to accept birth and death, old age and disease. It is not purified. So here is the chance to purify your existence. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam. Brahman means the greatest, unlimited. You are hankering after happiness, but if you purify your existence, then you get unlimited happiness of Brahman. Anantam: "There is no end." Here, whatever happiness you are getting, that is not unlimited. Limited. That limited happiness is available in the life of cats and dogs also. So the human life is meant for tapasya. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam [SB 5.5.1]. So this tapasya can be practiced... Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteḥ; [SB 5.5.2]. You have to render your service to mahat, mahat, mahatma. And who is mahatma? Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritaḥ;, bhajanty ananya-manasaḥ; [Bg. 9.13]. This is mahatma. Krsna says. Sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ;.

bahunam janmanam ante
jñanavan mam prapadyate
vasudevaḥ; sarvam iti
sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ;
[Bg. 7.19]

One who has understood Krsna—"Vasudeva is everything"—he is mahatma. Sa mahatma. So that is recommended. Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteḥ; [SB 5.5.2]. If you get the chance of getting such mahatma, then try to give him service. Become his servant. Then your path of liberation will be open. And tamo-dvaram yositam sangi-sangam. Those who are after sense gratification, if you associate with them, then you are going to the darkness. Two ways are open: ahur vimukteḥ; and dvaram, tamo-dvaram. Now make your choice, "In which way we shall go, in this way or that way?" Everything is given, information, in the Bhagavad-gita and all other sastras. Bhagavad-gita is the gist of all Vedas and Upanisads, Vedanta. Vedanta-krd vedanta-vit. Krsna is vedanta-vit and vedanta-krt. Krsna, in His incarnation as Vyasadeva, He has compiled the Vedanta-sutra. He has recommended also in the Bhagavad-gita, brahma-sutra-padais caiva hetumadbhir viniscitaiḥ; [Bg. 13.5]. Brahma-sutra-padaiḥ;, everything is established very reasonably. So Krsna is speaking Vedanta-sutra. Veda means knowledge. Anta means the end of knowledge. The end of knowledge is to understand Krsna. Bahunam janmanam ante jñanavan [Bg. 7.19]. Man of knowledge is jñanavan. So ordinary jñanavan, little knowledge, they cannot understand. Yatatam api siddhanam [Bg. 7.3]. But a person cultivating knowledge for many lives, he can understand. Vasudevaḥ; sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ; [Bg. 7.19]. So Vasudeva personally explaining Himself, "I am like this; I am like that." Why should we not understand? What is the objection? Boliye.

Guest (1) (Indian man): There should be no objection.

Prabhupada: But people are not following Vasudeva. They are creating new Vasudeva. And somebody told that Krsna is an ordinary man? Trivikrama Maharaja or somebody told me. Avajananti mam muḍha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11].

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, the people who are coming in at night are saying that.

Prabhupada:

vasudeve bhagavati
bhakti-yogaḥ; prayojitaḥ;
janayaty asu vairagyam
jñanam ca yad ahaitukam
[SB 1.2.7]

In order to come to the position of that mahatma, one has to render service to Vasudeva. Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogaḥ; prayojitaḥ;. Then jñana-vairagya automatically will be manifested. Janayaty asu vairagyam. Real life means vairagya. Just like these boys known as hippies. They are trying for vairagya. They are coming from countries, very opulent, rich father, mother, but they do not like, inclined to vairagya, renunciation. But renunciation must be based on knowledge, jñana-vairagya. So that they are lacking. They are not fixed up. But there is a tendency of vairagya. Is it not? That is also good. (Hindi) Therefore, according to Vedic civilization, there is compulsory vairagya. As soon as one is fifty years old, he must give up family life. Pañcasordhvam vanam vrajet. Aiye. (Hindi) Jawaharlal Nehru, up to the end of his life he wanted to remain prime minister. (Hindi with scattered English words) Practical application there are. (Hindi) (pause) (Hindi) (Hindi conversation with scattered English) Without bhakti, jñana is never sufficient, but bhakti does not depend... Ahaituky apratihata. It cannot be checked. (Hindi) Bhagavan is within. Isvaraḥ; sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. And He assures... (Hindi) The so-called jñani, he wants to become liberated and become one with the Supreme-kanksati. When actually one is self-realized, na kanksati. Yogi kanksati. (Hindi) Bhagavan is the Supreme. We are part and parcel. So I have already given you the example, these fingers, part and parcel of the body. The only desire should be how to serve the body. That is selfishness. (Hindi) Then where is that picture? The gopis are pushing Radharani to Krsna. (Hindi)

Guest (1): Krsna likes Radha-Krsna.

Prabhupada: No, no, no.

Tamala Krsna: No, no, no, no.

Guest (1): Radharani first.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): Therefore all the cowherd girls are trying to push Her to Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): Krsna likes Radharani.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): Therefore all the cowherd girls are trying to push Her to Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): (Hindi)

Prabhupada: (Hindi) "Oh? Krsna likes Her?" They become envious. But here: "Oh? Krsna likes Her? All right."

Guest (1): To please Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. The purpose is to please Krsna.

Guest (1): (Hindi)

Prabhupada: (Hindi) That is Vrndavana. That is described in Caitanya-caritamrta, that... Aiye. Atmendriya-priti-vañcha tare bali kama [Cc. Adi 4.165]. (Hindi) The gopis' lila with Krsna... (Hindi) ...the desire is "How Krsna will be happy." (Hindi)

Guest (1): That is all sense gratification.

Prabhupada: That's all. There is no prema. There cannot be any prema within this material world. All kama.

Guest (1): This is prema.

Prabhupada: (Hindi) This picture has appealed to me, this picture, "Krsna likes Radharani? Push Her." (Hindi) This is prema, in the beginning of. (Hindi) Arcanam. This is called arcanam. Arcanam. Arca-murti-seva. (Hindi) Thank you very much. (Hindi) So next you are here... (Hindi)

Tamala Krsna: I have a photograph. Should I bring it?

Prabhupada: Yes. (Hindi)

Tamala Krsna: All we had was this Melbourne photo. We don't have the Sydney... We have the Melbourne Deities. Still, it's nice.

Prabhupada: Melbourne and Sydney, white.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, I knew it was Australia.

Prabhupada: (Hindi)

Tamala Krsna: It's about 6:30 now, Srila Prabhupada

Prabhupada: Have sankirtana.

Guest (1): (Hindi)

Prabhupada: (Hindi)

Guest (1): You have got a copy?

Tamala Krsna: I have the original, not a copy.

Prabhupada: You can give him.

Guest (1): If I... If I could have access to it?

Prabhupada: He's done(?).

Guest (1): Yes, you can safely believe. (Hindi) But I couldn't follow all the legal words.

Prabhupada: (Hindi)

Guest (2) (Indian man): He says that he passed his M.A... He passed his M.A.

Prabhupada: (Hindi)

Guest (2): And there he told it's all right to...

Guest (1): Faith.

Guest (2): Faith.

Guest (1): Faith, yes, yes.

Guest (2): Not Christianity or not Hinduism. Anything you like.

Prabhupada: Not anything.

Guest (2): Not anything?

Prabhupada: Religion.

Guest (2): Religion.

Prabhupada: Not anything.

Guest (2): Everyone has right to follow.

Prabhupada: Yes. Every man has right to follow any, mean, established religion. And they have accepted, this Hare Krsna movement is established religion in India for many thousands of years.

Guest (1): Only there should be no fault.

Prabhupada: There is no fault. There is no fault. Everyone is learning voluntarily. (Hindi)

Tamala Krsna: Should we hold kirtana, Srila Prabhupada? (kirtana begins) (end)