Prabhupada: To live like them, to dance with them, to dress like them, to smoke like them, to stand like them. (laughter)

Hari-sauri: Baḍa? That means?

Prabhupada: Baḍa sab. Baḍa sab-big master.

Pusṭa Krsna: Saheb or sab?

Prabhupada: The word is saheb, but short cut, sab. [break] (indistinct) No.

Hari-sauri: No, he's show-biz, show-business. (long break)

Devotees: Hare Krsna, good morning.

Prabhupada: (Hindi) This modern civilization. (Hindi) nayam deho deha-bhajam nr-loke kasṭan kaman arhate viḍ-bhujam ye [SB 5.5.1]. Don't be hogs. Be human being. This is hog civilization. (Hindi) Sex. Don't care whether he's mother, sister or brother. No, no. This is going on. (long conversation in Hindi with Indians) (new sequence in car)

Satsvarupa: [break] ...that we have to stick to the tradition. Tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. Then.... Not just by mystical devotion.

Prabhupada: There is no proper guide. They manufacture ideas, that's all. Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduḥ; [Bg. 4.2], that path is not there. [break] ...name? I forgot

Satsvarupa: Gene.

Prabhupada: Gene.

Satsvarupa: Yes.

Prabhupada: [break] ...building or something...

Visvakarma: Yes, it's a very big exhibit, scientific achievements. [break] ...come and see it.

Prabhupada: [break] ...their achievement, no more death? As soon as you ask this question, matte kara heṭ. Baḍo baḍo baḍo badora(?) baro baro pet lanka dingaya matte karo heṭ. "Big, big monkey, big, big, belly, Ceylon jumping, melancholy." What scientific advancement? Do you think there will be no more death? Matte kore heṭ: (?)"Yes, we are trying." Answer them, "What is your achievement?" All achievement will be, remain in your back and you'll have to die. So what you have done, insurance, that you'll enjoy this? You'll be kicked out of the scene at any moment. What you have done for this? What is the answer? Mattaḥ; kore heṭ "Yes, we are trying." (laughter) Nonsense, you are trying. And we have to see this nonsense. We are not so fool. And if they say, "What you are doing?" "Yes, we are doing that. How to conquer over death." Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti, mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. That is we are trying. That is real scientific. And what is method? Very simple: man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru mam evaisyasi asamsayaḥ; [Bg. 18.65]. "Without any doubt, he comes to Me." This is science. Why shall I waste time? Svarupa Damodara challenged one scientist in California that "If I give you the chemicals, can you manufacture life?" He said, "That I cannot say." What you have spoken all this nonsense? Mattaḥ; kore heṭ. And when there is challenge, mattaḥ; kore heṭ. Otherwise, baro baro bagara, baro baro phet, big, big monkey, big, big belly. And when the real question is there, mattaḥ; kore het. Ceylon jumping, melancholy. Hanuman jumped over the ocean, so other monkeys, they also become very proud: "I am..., Hanuman is our leader, we can...," "Can you jump over Ceylon?" Mattaḥ; het. [break] ...speak all these things, Indian villagers, they will immediately believe. One cobbler.... I think I narrated this story. Narada Muni was going to Vaikunṭha. Did I say that?

Hari-sauri: I think this story's in Raja-vidya, that small book. The one about the brahmana and the cobbler?

Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Cobbler immediately believed when he was informed by Narada Muni that "I saw God is pulling one elephant through the hole of a needle, this side and again this side." The brahmana did not believe it. And as soon as the cobbler, he was also devotee, oh, he began to pray, "Oh, my Lord can do anything." Narada Muni, "You believed it?" "Yes, why not?" "How do you believe it?" "I am daily seeing. I am underneath the tree, and so many figs are dropping, and each fig has got thousands of seeds, and in each seed there is another tree. Why should I not believe it?" He did not believe it blindly. With reason, and he gave immediately reason: "When I see this fig tree, big fig tree, and there are millions of figs dropping, and in each fig there are millions of seeds, and each seed there is.... Why shall I not believe it?" God, nothing is impossible by God, everything.

Satsvarupa: The brahmana was supposed to be learned in the Vedas.

Prabhupada: Ah, yes. And he said, "These are all...," what is called? Mythology. Why mythology? Why do you think God like you? God is all-powerful; He can do anything. That is real faith. That means you have no faith. "If God can do which tallies with my activities, then I shall believe." What you are? Nonsense. This is their general argument. How we can believe this? And why not believe this? You are seeing so many wonderful things. I gave this example to another man, that there is a coconut tree. Now find out where is the pipe and pumping so that the water is pushed. Show me. You have no idea that such a high height, how water is going there. And full of water. How the water is transferred there? Show me the pipe and pump. You have got the idea, that with pipe and pump we can raise the water. Where is that pipe and pump? Show me. Every day, every moment, we are seeing so many wonderful things. How you are thinking.... "I am Dr. Frog. Pacific Ocean may be four feet. All right, five feet. Make compromise, ten feet." (laughter) Rascal. If you think for many millions of years, then you'll have no solution. Panthas tu koṭi-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo [Bs. 5.34]. It is not possible in that way. They have no idea of God.

Hari-sauri: Everything is there, but actually they don't see.

Prabhupada: Because they are not devotee. Pasyanti jñana-caksusa. Mam ebhyaḥ; param, muḍha nabhijanati mam ebhyaḥ; parama-avyayam. Param bhavam ajanantaḥ;. Param bhavam ajanantaḥ;. They have no knowledge.

Satsvarupa: They think that if they follow, they'll still be misled. "Why should I believe? It may not be true."

Prabhupada: But you are already misled. Why not be second time misled? You are already misled, thousand times. Why not try once more. You are making so much arrangement to live comfortably, but you are kicked out. Are you not misled? Bahir-artha-maninaḥ;. You are thinking that by adjustment of this external energy, you will be able to live very happily. Is it possible? You are trying, problem after problem, problem after problem. So you are already misled.

Satsvarupa: You've said, "Just give this one life to Krsna. You've misgambled so many lives. Why not give one to Krsna?"

Prabhupada: You are misled already so many lives. All right, be misled another life. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66].

Hari-sauri: They're taking a photo today for the BTG, so they'd like if you would pose for five minutes.

Prabhupada: Why not? (end)