Room Conversation
Mauritius
5 Oct

Brahmananda: Srila Prabhupada will speak in English or Hindi?

Guest (1) (Indian man): ...you know Hindi.

Prabhupada: Which you...? No, just I want to end this verse. Shall I speak in Hindi or English? That I am...

Guest (1): Hindi.

Prabhupada: Hindi. (Hindi) You read it thoroughly and you explain it either in English or Hindi, as you think befitting to your friends. So we have got so many literatures in French language. We are also asking some men from Europe. That will create some impression. Yes. White elephant. (laughter) Dancing. Everyone will purchase ticket. Yes. (Hindi) Bring some white elephant. So literature is there. But one thing is that you must be placed in sadacara, well behaved. So you have to sacrifice, especially your long hair. And if you sacrifice your hair, we can export it and get some money. (laughter) Because in Western countries they want these hairs to make wigs. Yes. So just... (Hindi) As they have been trained up to rise early in the morning, this will give you spiritual strength. If you simply becomes a gramophone speaker, then it will not be effective. Gramophone or tape record speaker, that will not be. You must be live speaker. Your living condition should be spiritually, what is called, surcharged. So that means you must be trained up how to rise early in the morning, take your bath, cleanse yourself, chant Hare Krsna mantra. Then you will be spiritually strong. When you are spiritually strong, if you speak something on spiritual subject matter, then it will be effective. Otherwise it will be just like tape record playing. So this is required. And you should... You are asking something?

Guest (1): No.

Prabhupada: And gradually, when you are well behaving, then you shall be initiated to chant Hare Krsna mantra. That will give you strength, spiritual power. Strictly observe the regulative principles—no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling. It is very simple. Read these literatures, chant Hare Krsna mantra, and observe these regulations. Then you will become gradually powerful. Your speeches will be effective. People will like you.

Guest (2) (Indian man): Now the program in the village, Swamiji, how to...

Prabhupada: Village... Just like you acquire some land. That you will get. It is not very... Is it difficult?

Guest (2): No, sir.

Prabhupada: Just we are doing so many places. So you produce your own food grains, not for making money but just for feeding yourself and the animals, cows. Keep cows, as many cows as possible, and produce, till the ground, field, and make water supply arrangement. If the investment is required, we shall do that. You have no worry about investment. We shall bring money from anywhere. But the work must be done very nicely. There must be good arrangement for water supply and for plowing and keeping the cows in order. Then you get sufficient milk, sufficient food grains and produce your own cloth. The girls and ladies, they can spine (spin) thread, and from the thread you make cloth, handlooms. So your first necessities of life, eating, and make little cottage, sleeping... And if you want sex, get yourself married, live peacefully. And when you are there you can defend yourself. So the first necessity is how to eat and how to cover. That you have to provide. That is not difficult. You can do it. And then you become peaceful, no anxiety for your maintenance. And then cultivate this spiritual knowledge the same way. Have a temple there. Have... Go on chanting, offering prasadam. You have got your food grains. Don't be dependent on anyone else. Become self-independent. And don't be after money. Simply produce your bare necessities of life. Keep yourself fit, strong. And chant Hare Krsna, read book. Then you'll grow strong. Is there any difficulty?

Guest (1): No, Swamiji.

Guest (2): To bring more people in our movement...

Prabhupada: They should be trained up, more people. Just like I went alone in Europe and America. So I have trained them. So it will depend on your training power, the more people will be attracted. If you advertise, "Come here," and if you have no power to attract them, then it will not be... You must be attractive to bring them. And that is spiritual attraction. You must behave yourself nicely. Then people will come. If you become purified, then naturally they will come. Just like if you prepare nice preparation with pure ghee, customers will be naturally attracted and they will pay and purchase. And if you prepare rubbish thing, one man may be cheated, but that will not be attraction for the general. Purity is required. That will attract. Param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan [Bg. 10.12]. One must be pure. Then he will be able to attract. So if they see practically that "These people are very happy; they have no anxiety," then they will be attracted. Is it not? What is the difficulty? But if you want brothel and night dancing and wine and meat-eating, then it is spoiled. It becomes impure. To become pure is not at all difficult. Rather, to become impure, it is difficult. But people, with all difficulties, they are becoming impure. Otherwise the idea which I am giving, you can start anywhere, anywhere, any part of the world. It doesn't matter. Locally you produce your own food. You get your own cloth. Have sufficient milk, vegetables. Then what you want more? And chant Hare Krsna. This is Vedic civilization: plain living, high thinking. And poor thinking, poor in thought, poor in behavior, and living with motorcar and this, that, nonsense. It is all nonsense civilization. A first-class Rolls Royce car, and who is sitting there? A third-class negro. This is going on. You'll find these things in Europe and America. This is going on. A first-class car and a third-class negro. That's all. Is it not?

Guest (3) (Indian man): Car is a necessity, Swamiji, don't you think so? Car is a necessity.

Prabhupada: Not necessary. What is the use of car? If you locate yourself to get everything, your necessity, then where is the use of car? If you require car, you have a bullock cart. That's all. Why should you hanker after petrol, mobile (Mobil?) oil, machine, this, that, so many things. Why?

Guest (3): Yes, but don't you think that it would be impossible for you to come mostly?

Prabhupada: No, no. So long it is not available, we must take the best advantage. That is another thing. But gradually we shall develop a society that all these unnecessary rubbish things should be rejected. That is the idea. Or those who are interested, let them manufacture car; we take advantage. We don't bother ourself how to manufacture car. Ajagara-vrtti. Ajagara-vrtti, the idea is... Ajagara means the snake. So a mouse makes a hole in the field to live very peacefully. So, and he enters the hole, and a snake gets the information and he comes, enters the hole. He eats the snake... The snake eats the mouse and lives peacefully. So let this rascal manufacture motorcar. When we require, we take from them and ride away. We are not going to manufacture. There will be some rascals. Let them do that, mouse. We enter as snake. (laughter) That's all. We are doing that. We are doing that. I did not manufacture this house, but somebody, some mouse, has done. (laughter) And we have entered it, that's all. That's all. This is going on all over the world. You know George Harrison? He has earned money with so great hard labor, and he has given us a house in London, fifty-five lakhs' worth. Another boy, Alfred Ford, he's the great grandson of Mr. Henry Ford. He has given. He is giving still money. He is prepared with all his money. So those who are after money, material things, we have to induce them that "Spend for me," that's all, and let him earn. So far we are concerned, we shall live very simple life, simply in Krsna consciousness. That is brahmana. Brahmana does not go to construct big, big house. He simply constructs his character, and the other ksatriyas and vaisyas, they offer him, "Please come here and sit down." Therefore the division is... One who is unable to become a brahmana, let him become ksatriya. If he cannot become ksatriya, let him become a vaisya. Otherwise let him remain a sudra. But there should be ideal class. So we are trying to create an ideal society of brahmanas. Then people will be benefited. And if everyone is sudra, rascal, then what people will be benefited? They do not know how to live. The brahmanas will give idea, "Live like this. You will be happy."

Guest (1): Swamiji, I propose one thing: To influence people more and more in the villages.

Prabhupada: Yes. This is the attraction, villagers.

Guest (1): Yes. We should go there and live with them for...

Prabhupada: Yes. I have already suggested that you take land and be an ideal community.

Guest (1): No, if we don't get land, Swamiji. I would suggest if, for example, one week, four or three, Swamiji... (Hindi) What he wants to say...

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Very good idea, very good idea.

Guest (1): That would be mercy to make the people conscious. And then again and again have here a same thing and then they would be influenced.

Prabhupada: Good idea. It is very good idea.

Pusáš­a Krsna: The idea was in Hindi. It was in Hindi. We don't understand.

Prabhupada: In the village... I shall speak in Hindi?

Pusáš­a Krsna: In English so we can understand.

Prabhupada: I am speaking in... So in the village, if these people go, they cannot do anything because they cannot speak in Hindi.

Guest (1): No, we should be there to organize. We will be there to organize.

Prabhupada: Yes. If you organize, then that will be nice.

Guest (1): For example, I propose that Swamiji, sitting there, please tell me and I will tell the people they are the leader, to organize a Bhagavad-gita in English, because Swamiji speaks English.

Prabhupada: They can understand English?

Guest (1): Yes.

Prabhupada: Then do it.

Guest (1): Yes, there are many people.

Prabhupada: They can understand?

Guest (1): Yes.

Prabhupada: Then, English edition we have got. French edition... You can speak in French and explain. He can speak in English.

Guest (1): Yes. We can stay in a village for about seven days or eight days, so that every night, for example, as we do it here, we can do it in a village.

Prabhupada: So if you can organize like that, then I will come personally. I will go and encourage you.

Guest (1): I can organize it, Swamiji. There are many people who would like to see you, to talk to you, and to... Not especially to you but to all the swamijis.

Prabhupada: Yes. So if you think so, then I can come back again. I'll come back.

Guest (1): Yes, Swamiji. Do you want me to... I know there is one... Not only one, but if you want me to organize when you come and you would be...

Prabhupada: Yes. My point is: if necessary, I can also come. I can go into the village. There is no...

Guest (1): If you spent at least one month in these countries, Swamiji, I could...

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Whenever you will say. If you say, I can stay just now one month.

Guest (1): Yes?

Prabhupada: Yes. I can stay.

Guest (1): Yes, I may organize something there. Then I bring you there.

Prabhupada: I am going to Johannesburg today. If you think that my presence will be beneficial, then after a week I can come back.

Guest (1): Yes, Swamiji. Therefore I...

Prabhupada: This is a very good program. Very good.

Guest (1): I shall tell them. There are many youngsters.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. So if you think my presence will be very beneficial, then after one week I shall come back. Our life is dedicated for this purpose. Whenever the... Anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Wherever there is opportunity, take advantage of it. That is our mission. Little light-fan it to make it fire. That is our mission. I welcome all these suggestions from you. Now you be serious and do it. If you like, I shall come back after a week.

Guest (1): Yes. I have contacted two president of village. For example, Iskadye(?) There is a village known as Iskadye. Now there is Marshali.(?)

Prabhupada: And we have no distinction that "He is Hindu. He is Muslim. He is Christian." No. Everyone is welcome to take this culture, education. We have no such sectarian view. No.

Devotee: Excuse me. Your idea is a program similar to what we've done or been doing previously?

Guest (1): No, Swamiji. Previously you have been only going one day in a village. Only one day means two hours or like this. People are influenced...

Prabhupada: Once or continual. Yes. That is required.

Guest (1): Yes. A continual program.

Prabhupada: "Knock, knock, knock, and the door will open." That philosophy.

Guest (1): They have been a little in the villages with books and doing sankirtana in the street. That is very good. But it...

Prabhupada: Yes. Do sankirtana. The villagers will join.

Guest (1): But at the same time, if we collect all the people together and put it in place and talk to them every day, continually for seven days or eight days...

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. It is possible. These are all practical proposals. There is nothing impossibility.

Guest (1): Yes. Don't you think so, Swamiji? I have proposed...

Pusᚭa Krsna: Panḍals?

Guest (1): Yes. We may build panḍals also. That will be... Because...

Prabhupada: Panḍal or no panḍal. You can sit on open place. There is no harm.

Cyavana: We can build a panḍal in one day and put up.

Prabhupada: In villages we can sit down underneath a tree. That is panḍal. Why should you unnecessarily spend money? Just cleanse the ground and sit down. That's all. Makes everything simplified.

Guest (1): If it's raining there, Swamiji. Rainy days.

Prabhupada: Accha. Rainy day.

Guest (1): For that we need panḍals.

Prabhupada: So think. Krsna is giving you intelligence. Think over, and Krsna will give you intelligence.

Guest (1): I don't know whether it is practical, Swamiji. That is another suggestion. Like you are here for about seven days. Don't you think it would be good if you come here and you call people, youngsters, for example, those who are interested in the Vedic culture, would come here, in any place, for about seven days or eight days to stay with you and to learn what you want to say.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Like a camp.

Guest (1): Like a camp, yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. They are welcome.

Guest (1): You would prepare... At least every individual get one young man who will come.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yes. Very good suggestion. Immediately accepted. Oh, yes. I speak only selected young men, and they will speak. Yes. That is wanted.

Guest (1): And it will be easier for us to go to their village.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): They would guide us.

Prabhupada: That is very good suggestion.

Guest (1): When do you think that you could do it?

Prabhupada: Yes. I can immediately begin. Yes.

Pusáš­a Krsna: I can give you our address in Johannesburg, and you can write letter trying to organize it.

Prabhupada: How long it takes to go from here?

Pusáš­a Krsna: It's just a few hours. Johannesburg letter would only take two, three days.

Prabhupada: So you keep the address and be in correspondence.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Best if everything is set up beforehand, so when Prabhupada comes it is already organized.

Guest (1): Yes. We can put it in newspaper.

Prabhupada: But one thing you must be assured, that if you can introduce this Krsna consciousness movement, everyone will be happy. Be rest assured. That's a fact.

Guest (1): Because if you go to the villages...

Prabhupada: Everyone will be happy. Men and animal, everyone will be happy. Even the trees and plants, they will be happy.

Pusáš­a Krsna: We could have big sankirtana parties in the villages here too.

Brahmananda: How is it that the trees and plants will be happy?

Prabhupada: Because they will hear Hare Krsna. Not only trees and plants. The insects and everyone, they will have the opportunity of hearing Hare Krsna. That will benefit.

Guest (1): If we have got this act, Swamiji, here itself we can organize it. For example, we are getting holidays in November, school holidays, twenty-first November. So we can put it in the newspaper that "Those who are interested, young people from fifteen or twenty to thirty or forty, these people can send their letters and they would come. So we can answer them through newspaper, also radio, through TV, so that they would come...

Prabhupada: Yes. If you do organize, then I shall stay. It is very good program. Let us give it some shape with your good cooperation. So Krsna is giving you intelligence. He is giving so nice program. So do it practically.

Guest (1): And we can conquer out there.

Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Param vijayate sri-krsna-sankirtanam. Sri-krsna-sankirtana is so powerful that it will conquer. It will be victorious. So I am very glad to meet you. And do this program. And if you like, I shall come back after a week and do. Utilize me in this way, I shall be very glad. That's all right.

Devotee: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krsna. (end)

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Prabhupada: English, economics, philosophy or..., mostly Scottish... I was educated in Scottish Churches College. The philosophy professor, Dr. W. S. Urquhart, he was very friendly to me, very kind, just like father. [break] ...he became vice chancellor. He was a very learned man, and very nice man, W. S. Urquhart.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Did they teach in English or Bengali?

Prabhupada: No, no. English. Medium English.

Harikesa: He was the one who said that the woman's brain is thirty-six ounces?

Prabhupada: Yes, yes. (chuckles) Yes. No, not only he, another professor, Dr. Stephen (indistinct), he also said. That's a fact. Artificially they are trying. It has no meaning. But by agitation you can do anything. That is another thing. But that is not the fact. Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. These are all Indian quarters? No.

Pusáš­a Krsna: This area? No, I think this is more European. But where we're staying is Indian area. It's all Indian.

Prabhupada: These European professors, they had to learn Bengali. They knew Bengali. It was compulsory. All European officers who used to come to India for responsible post, it was obligated.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Did they come mostly for missionary work? Was that their purpose?

Prabhupada: Our professors, they came from missionary, but there were other officers in government service, I.C.S., Indian Civil Service. They were also. In the province where they were employed he must learn the provincial language. Their administration was excellent, undoubtedly, British administration. Nobody in the world, so far administration... But their crooked policy ruined them; otherwise good administrator, good politician, good diplomat.

Harikesa: They made those nice buildings in Delhi, too.

Prabhupada: Huh? Yes, and everything good. Simply heart was not very good.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Heart.

Prabhupada: "Only for Englishmen," "Only for Englishmen." Still that policy is going on here. That is not good. When one takes shelter of you, you must give him proper protection. That liberality is not there.

Pusáš­a Krsna: They would make the people dependent upon them and then exploit them, yes?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the fault. Exploitation was their policy. Whole European, the France, Holland—go some other country and exploit. They were doing the same thing in America also. Therefore America rebelled. Washington was Englishman. Still, he rebelled. He separated. Independent. A small country and bring money from the whole world—this is their bad policy.

Pusáš­a Krsna: It's actually amazing how they colonized.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Pusáš­a Krsna: It was actually amazing to think how they colonized almost...

Prabhupada: They were obliged to do that. In the country there is no food, no shelter, nothing. Therefore Hitler's determination was, "I shall make this shopkeeper nation again fishers." What is called? Fishermen. "I shall ruin their empire." So he did it. But he also became ruined. He did it. He ruined the Englishmen, but he also became ruined, finished, Germany finished. But Germany will be able to rise again. Englishmen will not be able to.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Why is that, Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: They committed so many sinful activities, yes, for maintaining their empire. To sell their Manchester-made cloth they ruined the cloth industry of India and cut this finger.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Cut the thumb off.

Prabhupada: Yes. Thumbs of the weavers so that they cannot manufacture anymore.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Very bad.

Prabhupada: There are so many other things.

Harikesa: They cut the thumbs of the weavers?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes. They were making finer cloth by hand than the British were making by machines. So in order to discourage, they would cut off the thumb so they couldn't weave.

Prabhupada: So many things. And to make a show, the Lord Hasting was impeached in the Parliament. Here the black men, they are Africans.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes. In this country there's nineteen million Africans and about over five million Europeans, about one million Indian people, and about one million colored people.

Prabhupada: So these women, what they are carrying on the head?

Pusáš­a Krsna: I don't know. What do they carry, Gokulendra prabhu?

Gokulendra: They carry all sorts of things, Srila Prabhupada. Sometimes they carry their supplies that they...

Prabhupada: They are local women or...

Pusáš­a Krsna: Oh, yes. But they don't allow the Africans to live in the cities. They have to travel long distances, unless they are servants at some house. For the Africans to live in the cities, they have passes. They have to have a pass.

Prabhupada: Accha. Black men. The Indians, they cannot? They can?

Pusáš­a Krsna: No, Indians don't need pass. The Indians, however, they were only allowed to live where they were born. They aren't allowed to move around. But this year they finished that law. Now the Indians can live anywhere in South Africa in Indian areas. They can move around to different cities. Before this year they weren't allowed to do it.

Prabhupada: So post... [break] ...service is not good?

Pusáš­a Krsna: No, it is fairly good. But the Africans, they are so many they have to queue up. I don't think, in America, that the American negroes would be able to queue up and wait as patiently as these people. I think they have a little...

Prabhupada: They have been trained up.

Pusáš­a Krsna: British influence. [break]

Prabhupada: ...appears it is very clean city.

Pusáš­a Krsna: This area is downtown, it's not so clean. Downtown is not so clean. This area is.

Prabhupada: This is residential or industrial?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Over here is all residential, European apartment houses. And along the beach there is all hotels. This is a very big resort area in South Africa. There's a... Whole south coast, going down for about eighty miles, is all resorts. [break]

Prabhupada: ...English-made city?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes, Durban is English city. Capetown has Dutch influence.

Prabhupada: It resembles Melbourne. Melbourne. Australian Melbourne, this quarter resembles. [break] ...from Indian Ocean?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes. Indian Ocean.

Prabhupada: Africa, one side Atlantic, one side Indian. [break] ...is growing on the sand, and they say there is no life in the sand. (break—windy beach) ...Bhoga. Bhoga means sense gratification, and aisvarya, opulence. Bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam tayapahrta-cetasam: [Bg. 2.44] "Those who are lost of consciousness, such persons become attached to sense gratification and material opulence," bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam tayapahrta-cetasam, "and not interested in Krsna consciousness." Vyavasayatmika-buddhiḥ;: "How to become spiritually liberated, they do not care for it." These things do not interest them.

Pusáš­a Krsna: We're finding that most of our devotees, though, are coming from America. America is the most opulent place.

Prabhupada: No, no, not most coming. Some coming. The American population is very great. If most would have come, then things would have been different.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes.

Prabhupada: Some of the fortunate persons like you, you are coming. Kona, kona, "some fortunate." Kona bhagyavan jiva. But you can convert them to become fortunate. Devotee can do that. Bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam tayapahrta-cetasam. They are thinking very much advanced, but they are lost of their sense, lost of their intelligence. They think of us as foolish. We do not enjoy life. (laughter) And we think of them as animals. This is the position. Bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam.

vyavasayatmika buddhir
ekeha kuru-nandana
bahu-sakha hy anantas ca
buddhayo 'vyavasayinam
[Bg. 2.41]

"Those who are spiritually fixed up, their determination is one, and those who are not fixed up, their mind is diverted in so many things, unnecessary things." [break]

Pusáš­a Krsna: ...vadis have given the philosophy that "Yes, vyavasayatmika-buddhir ekeha, make the intelligence one, but you can think of anything. You can think of a rock, you can think of the sky."

Prabhupada: You rascal. Anything... Anything one. So if I think of hell, will that do?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Well, the Mayavadi says, "Anything is as good as anything else."

Prabhupada: Yes. How rascal they are. Anything else... This is Ramakrishna Mission's. They are rascals. These rascals, they do not know anything, and still, they have made a missionary activity.

Pusáš­a Krsna: I have read one Mayavadi. He says that it's as good to meditate on your wife as it is to meditate on Krsna.

Prabhupada: Just see.

Pusáš­a Krsna: I read that, really. So degraded.

Prabhupada: Then why do you take sannyasa? Think of your wife at home. Why do you take sannyasa? Just see how rascal they are.

Pusáš­a Krsna: They have gone against all the Vedic principles.

Prabhupada: Remain at home; think of your wife. Everyone is doing that. Then why do you take sannyasa and cheat others? Mayavadam asac-chastram. Asat, it is very abominable philosophy. [break]

Pusáš­a Krsna: ...is about twenty miles up this coast.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Pusáš­a Krsna: The house that I was telling you about, the other house, is twenty miles up this coast.

Prabhupada: Oh. [break] ...only on Krsna. Otherwise all these Mayavadis would have disturbed us. They got... This man says this, this man says this... We kick out all these things. Only what Krsna says, that's all. Asac-chastram pracchannam bauddham ucyate. You can take.

Harikesa: (whispers:) Sit in the back. [break]

Gokulendra: Yesterday, on Saturday morning, we had the first sankirtana in the European area, chanting.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Praison? (?)

Gokulendra: Yes. The police stopped us after about half an hour.

Pusáš­a Krsna: They went into the European area yesterday for chanting, Saturday morning. Usually we do the Indian area in Durban. But in Johannesburg we only do the European area sankirtana. We have no trouble there. They say that Durban, being very much... Did the truck go? Yes? Why doesn't Prabhupada go back in the truck?

Devotee: It's stuck in the sand. We'll have to push to make the wheels straight.

Pusáš­a Krsna: So let Prabhupada come back in the truck. [break]

Prabhupada: ...have gone too much in the sand. It is dangerous. [break] ...panded so much, these Britishers, a few million people. This is demonic. Idam adya maya labdham imam prapsye manoratham: "I have got now so much. Now let me increase more." Never satisfied. Idam adya maya labdham imam prapsye mano: "I want to be the richest man, God." That was the British policy-ambition. Material ambition is like that. It increases more and more. [break] ...British buildings or American?

Pusáš­a Krsna: South African.

Prabhupada: South African.

Pusáš­a Krsna: A lot of investment comes from both America and England, industries.

Prabhupada: So England has got money to invest still?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes. They do much investment here in South Africa. [break] Srila Prabhupada, there's a sidewalk here. Would you prefer walking on the sidewalk or the sands?

Prabhupada: Yes, sidewalk is better.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Okay. A little bit hard on the...

Harikesa: Did we pass by a park when we were coming?

Pusáš­a Krsna: We will check out some places today. [break] ...cold spell now.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Pusáš­a Krsna: A cold spell. It's been cold the last few days. [break]

Prabhupada: ...keepers are mostly Indians?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Indian. All here are Indian. And just the other side of the bridge, all is Indian. This building here, Prabhupada, this big building is built by one of our life members. All of our life members, they are competing who can build bigger building.

Prabhupada: Accha. (laughing)

Pusáš­a Krsna: And they are putting nightclubs on the top of their buildings. So foolish.

Prabhupada: Lakhani. This is Indian building.

Pusáš­a Krsna: These are life members.

Prabhupada: Lakhani.

Pusáš­a Krsna: P. V. Lakhani. He was there last night.

Prabhupada: So they are improving in the midst of obstacles, eh? The Indians?

Pusáš­a Krsna: Yes.

Prabhupada: They are not given good facilities. Still, they are improving. [break] ...is there in your stock?

Harikesa: Chewra is.

Prabhupada: Chewra is there.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Chewra also we can purchase.

Harikesa: Yesterday that puffed rice was Rice Krispies, cereal.

Prabhupada: That was nice.

Pusáš­a Krsna: You like with peas?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Peanuts?

Prabhupada: Not peas, that green... Yes, green peas.

Pusáš­a Krsna: Fried.

Prabhupada: Yes. Just like yesterday. That's nice. Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. [break] ...things without Krsna consciousness is dead body. Apranasya hi dehasya manḍanam loka-rañjanam. It may be captivating to the foolish men, but it has no value. Because the person who is engaged in these things, he does not know what is the value of life, what is the goal of life. He is wasting time. The house will remain as it is; he will go to hell. That he does not know.

na te viduḼ; svartha-gatim hi visnum
durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninaḼ;
andha yathandhair upaniyamanas
te 'pisa...
[SB 7.5.31]

The nature's law is different. That is acting in a different way, which you do not know. He is forcing you to become old. He is forcing you to die. Still, you do not know how much you are under the grip of the laws of nature. Such a foolish man, and you are engaged in building skyscraper. Just see. He does not take care that "I am being forced to become something against my will, and I am freely doing all this nonsense." Just like the dog. Dog is thinking, "I am free," running here and there. As soon as the master, "Come on." (laughter) Just see. Even dog has no sense that "I was jumping like free, but I am not free." That sense he hasn't got. So if a human being has not so such sense, what is the difference between him and the dog? Hm? This is to be considered. But they have no sense, no brain, no education, and they are still going on as civilized. Just see. Muḍha. Therefore muḍho ('yam) nabhijanati [Bg. 7.25].

Pusáš­a Krsna: They think that this is the most civilized that human beings have ever been, this modern so-called civilization.

Prabhupada: Civilization... If you remain in a dog's position, is that civilization? I proved that you are in a dog's position. How can you refute the argument which I have put, that you are in a dog's position? Exactly the dog. Sva-viḍ-varaha. Dog's position, hog's position, camel's position, and ass's position. These four animals have been compared. Sva, viḍ-varaha, usṭra, khara. And "I have been given vote." Yes, sva-vi-varahosṭra-kharai samstuta purusa pasuḥ;. You are animal, and other animals, they are giving you vote. That's all. You are very much proud that you are minister, you have got vote, but who has given you vote? The same animal class. What is the meaning of your vote? Sva-viḍ... How selected words in the Bhagavatam. Sva-vi-varahosṭra-kharai samstuta purusa pasuḥ;.

Pusáš­a Krsna: This desire to accumulate money, is this just like annamaya stage?

Prabhupada: That is doggish. The example, he has got already one loaf, but another dog: "This is also my stock." Why you should hanker after another? You have got already. Be satisfied. "No." That is doggish mentality. (end)

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