(Prabhupada and devotees chant Invocation and Mantras 1-14)

oṁ purṇam adaḥ; purṇam idaṁ
purṇat purṇam udacyate
purṇasya purṇam adaya
purṇam evavasiṣyate
[Iso Invocation]

isavasyam idam sarvaṁ
yat kiñca jagatyaṁ jagat
tena tyaktena bhuñjitha
ma grdhaḥ; kasya svid dhanam

kurvann eveha karmaṇi
jijiviṣec chataṁ samaḥ;
evaṁ tvayi nanyatheto 'sti
na karma lipyate nare

asurya nama te loka
andhena tamasavrtaḥ;
taṁs te pretyabhigacchanti
ye ke catma-hano janaḥ;

anejad ekaṁ manaso javiyo
nainad deva apnuvan purvam arṣat
tad dhavato 'nyan atyeti tiṣṭhat
tasminn apo matarisva dadhati

tad ejati tan naijati
tad dure tad v antike
tad antar asya sarvasya
tad u sarvasyasya bahyataḥ;

yas tu sarvaṇi bhutany
atmany evanupasyati
sarva-bhuteṣu catmanaṁ
tato na vijugupsate

yasmin sarvaṇi bhutany
atmaivabhud vijanataḥ;
tatra ko mohaḥ; kaḥ; soka
ekatvam anupasyataḥ;

sa paryagac chukram akayam avraṇam
asnaviram suddham apapa-viddham
kavir maniṣi paribhuḥ; svayambhur
yathatathyato 'rthan vyadadhac chasvatibhyaḥ; samabhyaḥ;

andhaṁ tamaḥ; pravisanti
ye 'vidyam upasate
tato bhuya iva te tamo
ya u vidyayam rataḥ;

anyad evahur vidyaya-
nyad ahur avidyaya
iti susruma dhiraṇaṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire

vidyaṁ cavidyaṁ ca yas
tad vedobhayaṁ saha
avidyaya mrtyuṁ tirtva
vidyayamrtam asnute

andhaṁ tamaḥ; pravisanti
ye 'sambhutim upasate
tato bhuya iva te tamo
ya u sambhutyam rataḥ;

anyad evahuḥ; sambhavad
anyad ahur asambhavat
iti susruma dhiraṇaṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire

Prabhupada: Hare Krṣṇa. Read.

Gargamuni: Fourteen.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Gargamuni: The last sentence. "This point is confirmed by the Bhagavad-gita in the Seventh Chapter, where para and apara prakrti are discussed. The elements of nature—earth, fire, water, air, sky, mind, intelligence and ego—all belong to the inferior, or material, energy of the Lord, whereas the living being, the organic energy, is the superior energy, the para prakrti of the Lord. Both the prakrtis, or energies, are emanations from the Lord, and ultimately He is the controller of everything that exists. There is nothing in this universe which does not belong either to the para or apara prakrti, and therefore everything is under the..."

Prabhupada: "...proprietary right of the Supreme Being." So here, in the Isopaniṣad also, the same thing is explained, that isavasyam idaṁ sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Whatever we are seeing, animate or inanimate, there is control of the Supreme Lord. The same thing is explained in the Bhagavad-gita, that His energies are working. In the Viṣṇu Puraṇa it is said, just like fire staying in one place distributes its heat and light... Eka-desa-sthitasyagner jyotsna vistariṇi yatha. Agni, agni means fire. Fire is... Just like the sun. Sun is also fire, very high temperature fire. So it is staying in one place, but it is distributing its light and heat all over the universe. Eka-desa-sthitasyagner jyotsna yatha vistariṇi tathaiva parasya brahmaṇaḥ; saktiḥ;. Similarly, two energies from the Supreme Lord is being distributed all over the creation. One kind of energy is called material energy, and the other kind of energy is called the spiritual energy. So in this world, in this temporary material world, the spiritual energy is there. That is prominent. But it is covered by the material energy. Just like there is sunshine—sunshine, nobody can check—but it is sometimes covered by cloud. When it is covered by the cloud, the sunshine is dim. The more it is covered... Just like in Western countries, in the northern countries, it is very much covered. Practically, there is no sunshine. In London I saw the sunshine is very rare. At ten o'clock it is early in the morning, and at half past three again evening, so long I was there. So this covering of the sunshine is temporary. Actually, sunshine cannot be covered. The whole sunshine cannot be covered. That is not possible. An insignificant portion of the sunshine may be covered, or is covered sometimes by the cloud. Similarly, this material world is an insignificant portion of the spiritual world, covered by this material energy. That's all. And what is the position of material energy? The material energy is also another form of the spiritual energy. That means absence of spiritual activity, that is material. That's all. Just like what is this cloud? This cloud is another transformation of the sunshine. The sunshine evaporates water from the sea, and the cloud is formed. Therefore sunshine is the cause of the cloud. Similarly, this material energy is also caused by the Supreme Lord because it is His energy.

So two energies are working in this material world: the spiritual energy and the material energy. The material energy means these eight kinds of material elements. Bhumir apo 'nalo vayuḥ;: [Bg. 7.4] earth, water, fire, air, sky, mind, intelligence, and ego. These are all material. And similarly, finer, finer, finer, finer, and grosser, grosser, grosser. Just like water is finer than the earth, then fire is finer than the water, then air is finer than the fire, then sky, or ether, is finer than the air. Similarly, intelligence is finer than the ether, or mind is finer than the ether. The mind... You know, I have given several times example: the speed of mind. Many thousands of miles within a second you can go. So the finer it becomes, it is powerful. Similarly, ultimately, when you come to the spiritual part, finer, from which everything is emanating, oh, that is very powerful. That spiritual energy. That is given in the Bhagavad-gita. What is that spiritual energy? That spiritual energy is this living entity. Apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakrtiṁ para [Bg. 7.5]. Krṣṇa says, "These are material energies. Beyond this there is another, spiritual energy." Apareyam. Apara means inferior. Apareyam. "All these described material elements, they are inferior energy. And beyond this there is superior energy, My dear Arjuna." What is that? Jiva-bhuta maha-baho: "These living entities." They are also energy. We living entities, we are also energy, but superior energy. How superior? Because yayedaṁ dharyate jagat [Bg. 7.5]. The superior energy is controlling the inferior energy. Matter has no power. The big airplane, nice machine, is flying in the sky, made of material things. But unless the spiritual energy, pilot, is there, it is useless. It is useless. Thousands of years the jet plane will stand on the airport; it will not be flying unless the small particle spiritual energy, that pilot, comes and touches it. So what is the difficulty to understand God? So plain thing, that if this huge machine... There are so many huge machineries, they cannot move without the touch of the spiritual energy, a human being or a living being. How can you expect that this whole material energy is working out of automatically or without any control? How you can put your arguments in that way? That is not possible.

Therefore less intelligent class of men, they cannot understand how this material energy is being controlled by the Supreme Lord. The godless men, those who are of opinions that this material energy is working automatically, they are fools. That is the explanation of Isopaniṣad. Isavasyam idaṁ sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Everything is being controlled by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And therefore, because He is the supreme controller, therefore He is the supreme proprietor. We can see in our practical experience, the man who controls the whole establishment, he is proprietor, or the president. Similarly, if it is being controlled by some superior person, then He is God. That is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita: mayadhyakṣeṇa prakrtiḥ; suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. Krṣṇa says, "Under My superintendence, this material energy is working, and all these animate and inanimate objects are being produced."

mayadhyakṣeṇa prakrtiḥ;
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
[Bg. 9.10]

So unless there is some living force, energy, behind any material manifestation, it cannot work. If we simply understand this fact, that everywhere there is control of the Supreme Lord, that is Krṣṇa consciousness. Krṣṇa consciousness means to understand things as it is. That's all.

Thank you very much. (end)

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