Pradyumna: (leads chanting) "Those who are not faithful on the path of devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of foes, but return to birth and death in this material world."

Prabhupada:

asraddadhanaḥ; puruṣa
dharmasyasya parantapa
aprapya maṁ nivartante
mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani
[Bg. 9.3]

Krṣṇa (is) instructing that there are two pathways. One is go back to home, back to Godhead, and other path is remain in this material world which is full of miseries, especially birth, death, old age and disease. Two paths. Actually, we living entities, we are not subjected to birth, death, old age and disease. We are eternal part and parcel of Krṣṇa. Krṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and we are part and parcel of Him, just like father is there and he may have many children. So every child is the part and parcel of the father. Similarly, Krṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, God, we all living entities, we are sons, or part and parcel of God. Qualitatively we are one. Just like a small particle of gold is also gold. It is not a different thing. But one is small particle and one is big lump. But qualitatively, both of them are gold. So we are small particle of Krṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore Krṣṇa is vibhu, the great, God is great, and we are small particle.

Somehow or other we have fallen in this material world. There are many causes, but as we are in this material world, it is to be taken that somehow or other we have come here. Light, the sparks of fire... There is fire, and there are sparks. Everyone has got this experience. So the sparks are coming and dancing within the fire. It is also brilliant and it is also fire. If a small spark of fire falls on your cloth, immediately it will burn. It will immediately make a black spot. We have got this experience. Because although it is small, but it is fire. Therefore it burns. Similarly, we are a small particle, part and parcel of God. Just like the spark, it falls down from the fire. There may be three conditions. The spark may fall down on the ground, the spark may fall down on the water and the spark may fall down on some dry grass. So if the spark falls down on the dry grass, then it may, again, makes another fire. And if the spark falls down on the water, then it is completely finished. And if it falls down on the ground, then it may continue as fire for some time, then it becomes extinguished.

Anyway, in these three conditions... So when we fall down in this material world... The material world is of three modes of material nature, goodness, passion and ignorance. So if we acquire the quality of goodness, there is chance of enlightenment, knowledge, so that again fire can be generated. But if we fall down on the water, practically it is finished. Ignorance. So sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa. So in our fallen condition, mostly the rajo-guṇa and tamo-guṇa is very prominent, in our fallen condition, in this material condition. So symptoms of rajo-guṇa and tamo-guṇa means material desires and greediness. And sattva-guṇa means enlightenment. If we cultivate the sattva-guṇa quality, just means, if we cultivate the brahminical qualification, that is the platform of sattva-guṇa. So that is described in the Bhagavad-gita, satyaṁ samo damas titikṣa arjavaṁ jñanaṁ vijñanam astikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.42]. If we cultivate this kind of life, to be truthful, to be peaceful, to be tolerant, to be men of wisdom, knowledge, faith in God and the sastras, in this way there are nine to twelve qualities. If we acquire that qualities, then we become brahmaṇa.

Brahmaṇa means there is chance of understanding Brahman. Brahma janati iti brahmaṇa. And this human life is meant for inquiring about Brahman. Athato brahma jijñasa. This is the first verse, aphorism, of the Vedanta-sutra. So the whole Vedic literature, in a gist form, is described in the Bhagavad-gita. And it is being explained by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krṣṇa. So it is a very important book, spoken by God Himself. And another system of religion... Sometimes the representative of God is speaking, the servant of God speaking. They are also the same, but according to time and circumstances they are modified. But here in this Bhagavad-gita, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krṣṇa, is speaking.

So you are coming, I mean to say, the Indians who are present here, from a country where Krṣṇa appeared. It is a great fortune for you that you have taken your birth in India. It is not ordinary fortune. So why? To take Indian birth, to take birth in India, automatically they are advanced in spiritual knowledge. Still, so much fallen condition of India, still, you go to a village, they will very easily understand Krṣṇa consciousness without any advanced education. Because by birthright they have got the knowledge. In Vrndavana, when we walk on the street, the ṭhela-walla, the cartsmen, the milkmen carrying milk, immediately they'll offer namaskara, "Swamiji." The other day, I think you were present? We were walking. So we entered one field, just for walking. So the villagers, the cultivators, they came to congratulate us. To receive us. "Swamiji, it is our great fortune that you have come to our field." But in this country if I would have entered in another place, perhaps would have brought charge of trespass or might shot down. So that is the different system. That by birthright they are Krṣṇa conscious.

If we speak something about Krṣṇa and Rama... Generally, in the villages, the Ramayaṇa or Mahabharata, they are recited by the paṇḍitas, and still thousands and thousands of men come to hear about Ramayaṇa and Mahabharata. We have practical experience in India. We held several Hare Krṣṇa festivals in Calcutta, Bombay and Hyderabad, Madras, many thousands people come. Twenty thousand, thirty thousand people, they come, still. So my request is that you are here in foreign country, you don't forget your heritage. That is my request. Don't be baḍa saheb. Remain as Indian with Indian culture, and here is the temple of Krṣṇa, we are distributing this Krṣṇa culture all over the world. So don't miss this opportunity, but you take advantage of it. That is the duty of every Indian. That is the mission of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. His mission is, especially to the Indians He said,

bharata-bhumite haila manuṣya-janma yara
janma sarthaka kari' kara para-upakara
[Cc. Adi 9.41]

Para-upakara, just to do something good for others, for upakara. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu said anyone who has taken birth in India, he should, bharata-bhumite haila manuṣya-janma yara [Cc. Adi 9.41], anyone who has taken birth in India, for every one of them, it is the duty, janma sarthaka kari', first of all make your life successful, janma sarthaka kari' kara para-upakara, then you begin the welfare activities for all others. The idea is that India is enriched with Vedic knowledge, and those who are born in India, they should take advantage of this facility, especially those who are in the higher topmost ranks, the brahmaṇas, the kṣatriyas, the vaisyas. Especially the brahmaṇas. Take this education perfectly well. Make your life perfect and distribute the knowledge all over the world. This is your duty. That is the order of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He wanted...

Krṣṇa preached this Bhagavad-gita, five thousand years ago, but it was not broadly preached. It was spoken on the battlefield of Kurukṣetra. Arjuna knew it and some of his other friends. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu is also Krṣṇa. He appeared as a devotee of Krṣṇa. And He distributed this Krṣṇa consciousness movement and He wanted that every Indian should seriously take this Krṣṇa consciousness movement, make his life perfect, and distribute the knowledge. This is India's duty. So you have got one opportunity, you Indian people, that you take this advantage of distributing Krṣṇa consciousness. It is good for you and for everyone who takes the knowledge very adherently. Therefore Krṣṇa says... This is Ninth Chapter of Bhagavad-gita where He is speaking plainly about bhagavata-bhakti. And this knowledge is described as raja-guhyam. Most confidential knowledge. Here,

raja-vidya raja-guhyaṁ
pavitram idam uttamam
pratyakṣavagamaṁ dharmyaṁ
susukhaṁ kartum avyayam
[Bg. 9.2]

This is the beginning of this chapter. Raja-vidya, the king of education. Raja-vidya raja-guhyam. And very confidential. It is not understood by any ordinary man. Because it is very confidential. You go anywhere. Suppose you go to a bank. A few persons in the bank, like the manager or the cashier or the accountant, they know everything confidential. Not the clerks or the customers, no. So this is, also Krṣṇa concludes Bhagavad-gita with these words, guhya guhyatamam. This knowledge is very confidential. This means when one thing is very confidential means it is very, very important. So Krṣṇa says therefore that asraddadhanaḥ; puruṣaḥ; [Bg. 9.3]. "This is so nice confidential. And I am speaking personally to enlighten the people in general." Not general, but people like Arjuna. Arjuna was not ordinary person. He was born in royal family and he was so exalted that he could speak with Krṣṇa face to face. He's not an ordinary person. So this confidential knowledge is not for ordinary person, but it is so easy. As it is said, susukhaṁ kartum avyayam. It is so easy to perform that everyone can do it.

Just like what we are doing here in this temple? These boys, these American and Canadian boy, what they are doing? It's very easy. What is that? Chanting Hare Krṣṇa, dancing and eating prasada. What is the difficulty? To chant Hare Krṣṇa or in ecstasy, dance nicely and dancing, dancing, when you become hungry and tired, take nice prasada. What is the difficulty? By this process they are becoming devotees. There is no need of discussing higher philosophy or becoming a mystic or magician or juggler or bluffer or cheater, nothing. Simply accept this simple process. You come here and chant Hare Krṣṇa maha-mantra and automatically you'll be ecstatic. Because this Hare Krṣṇa maha-mantra is not ordinary sound. It is spiritual sound. Narottama dasa Ṭhakura has sung, golokera prema-dhana hari-nama-saṅkirtana. This sound, just like you receive sound from distant place, in radio. Similarly, this sound is not produced in this material world. It is brought from the spiritual world. Golokera prema-dhana. There in the spiritual world there are eternal liberated devotees. They are so much ecstatically enjoying simply by chanting and dancing, the descriptions are there, that there is no sex life.

Just imagine. Here in this material world there is sex life. That is considered to be the highest pleasure. But the spiritual world means there is no sex life. Although there are very beautiful women, very beautiful men, with four hands. The men are with four hands there and very attractive. All of them are young. They never become old. Because in the spiritual world there is no birth, death, old age and disease. That is spiritual world. So there is no... Old age is due to this body. Otherwise, spirit soul is everlastingly young. You can think over yourself. Just like I am now old man. So sometime I think that in my childhood, when I was born, I was jumping and dancing. Now I cannot do that. Because of this old body. So we are hampered on account of this material body. Encagement.

So there are two ways, as I have already explained, that if you like you can become free from this bondage of material body. If you like. And if you don't like you can continue your material way of life, changing different material bodies. Changing different material body is described here: mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani. Mrtyu. Because with any body, material body, either cat's body, a dog's body or human being's body or demigod's body or even Brahma's body, you have to die. There is no escape. Therefore it is called mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani. And the, another path is, aprapya mam, this mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani means you don't get Krṣṇa. Krṣṇa says aprapya, not getting mam, Me. Two alternatives. Either you get Krṣṇa and go back to home, back to Godhead, this is one path. And the other path that you remain in this material world and repeatedly get a body and die again, get again another body. This is going on. Repetition of birth, death, old age and disease. So Krṣṇa is, because He is our supreme father, supreme friend... suhrdaṁ sarva-bhutanam. Krṣṇa says

bhoktaraṁ yajña-tapasaṁ
sarva-loka-mahesvaram
suhrdaṁ sarva-bhutanaṁ
jñatva maṁ santim rcchati
[Bg. 5.29]

For our happiness we require cooperation of some friend. That is our practical experience. But if we make Krṣṇa as our supreme friend... He is supreme friend. He's so supreme friend that... You'll find in the Bhagavad-gita, everything is explained. Isvaraḥ; sarva-bhutanaṁ hrd-dese 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. Sarva-bhutanam. Of all living entities, within the core of the heart, Krṣṇa is sitting there along with the living entity. The living entity is also within the heart and the supreme living entity, Krṣṇa, is also sitting by him.

This is confirmed in the Upaniṣad, that two birds are sitting on one tree. One bird is eating the fruit and another bird is simply observing. So the observing bird is Krṣṇa and the eating bird is the living entity. Two birds. In another place also Krṣṇa says kṣetra-jñaṁ capi maṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bharata [Bg. 13.3]. The question of the kṣetra-jña, the owner of the body and the body. In this Chapter, in the Thirteenth Chapter, it is discussed. So in that chapter Krṣṇa says that "I am also one of the owner of the body, but the difference of this singular individual body and Myself is this, that the individual soul knows about his own body. But so far I am concerned, I am present in everyone's body and I know everything of everyone's body." Just like you are a spirit soul, I am a spirit soul within this body. You know the pleasure and pains of your body. I know the pleasure and pains of my body. But Krṣṇa, he knows the pleasure and pains of your body and pleasure and pains of my body and everyone's body. That is Krṣṇa. That is Paramatma. Jivatma and Paramatma.

So all these facts have been very widely described and discussed. So we should be very careful to accept the instruction of Bhagavad-gita as it is. If we do not accept, then Krṣṇa says asraddadhanaḥ;. One is not interested in this type of occupational duty, dharma means occupational duty. So dharmasyasya parantapa. Asya dharmasya. What is this dharma? In the end of Bhagavad-gita it is clearly said, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekaṁ saraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. This is dharma. This is real dharma. And anything except this, is bogus, cheating. This is real dharma. Krṣṇa came, He said that yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata tadatmanaṁ srjamy aham [Bg. 4.7]. Paritraṇaya sadhunaṁ vinasaya ca duṣkrtam [Bg. 4.8]. Hm? Dharma-saṁsthapanarthaya. To reestablish the religious system. Yuge yuge sambhavami, "I come." He comes. So, or He sends His representative, His son or His devotee. His servant. In this way, Krṣṇa is trying to enlighten the whole human society.

So we should take advantage of it. If you don't take advantage of it, asraddadhanaḥ;, no faith, no interest... Asraddadhanaḥ; puruṣaḥ;, the human being. This is a chance of human form of life to accept the system which is offered by God Himself. That is our duty. But if one is not interested, then the result is that aprapya mam. "He cannot get Me." Aprapya mam. So if we don't get Krṣṇa, then what is the wrong there? Very, very wrong. That Krṣṇa says: nivartante mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani, [Bg. 9.3] then he remains in the cycle of birth and death. That is not very pleasing job. We are making material efforts to make nice road, nice cars, nice skyscraper building, nice other facilities of life. But why I am doing this? This is practical. If I am called by death. How, we are not very happy, "Oh, I am attempting to build this and now I am dying," this is very painful. Sometimes at the time of death, they cry, that "I could not finish my business."

So that is the way of nature. That you may try to become very happy in this material world, nature will kick you out, will not allow you to stay here. Duḥ;khalayam asasvatam [Bg. 8.15]. This world is duḥ;khalayam. You make so many imagination, try to fulfill it, that's a very troublesome job. To get money and to make material arrangement, that is not very easy. After you've undergone severe hardship, then you can get some money and build big, big buildings or purchase car. So before possessing big, big buildings and cars you had to work so hard. And to keep them intact, that is also very difficult. So, and again there is no guarantee that you shall be able to enjoy it. Today you may be proprietor of a big house, big motor car, but after death you don't know, you have to accept a body, and it may be you become a cockroach in the car or in the house. That is not in your hands. That is in the prakrteḥ; kriyamaṇani guṇaiḥ; karmaṇi sarvasaḥ; [Bg. 3.27]. That will be considered. If you have got attachment for the car and you are dying, then you have done working such a way that you have no right to possess a car any more. You have to accept a cockroach body. Then you become, a, because you have got attachment, in the same car you become a cockroach. This nature's law we do not know.

prakrteḥ; kriyamaṇani
guṇaiḥ; karmaṇi sarvasaḥ;
ahaṅkara-vimuḍhatma
kartaham iti manyate
[Bg. 3.27]

The rascals, they do not know how prakrti, nature is working, and we are completely under the control of material nature. So after death we have to accept one body. Dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaraṁ yauvanaṁ jara tatha dehantara-praptiḥ;, dehantara-praptiḥ; [Bg. 2.13]. One has to accept. Just like we have given up our childhood body and we accepted another body, boyhood body or youth-hood body or old aged body. Similarly, after giving up this body, old aged body, I have to accept another body. That will be created by nature according to your karma. So that is called mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani. Then you begin another chapter. Even you become a demigod or a dog or a cockroach or human being, from the date of your birth you begin another chapter. Again duḥ;khalayam, to grow up, to change body, to adjust things according to the atmosphere.

So this is called mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani. If we want to save this botheration, then hear what Krṣṇa says. Then your life will be successful. If you don't accept Krṣṇa's works, which are very plainly explained in the Bhagavad-gita, then you have to remain in this mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani. It is very plain truth. There is no doubt about it, that... You may be very proud of your strong body, your social condition or political condition, but after death it is not under your control. It is under the control of the material nature. So don't be falsely proud, bewildered. Ahaṅkara-vimuḍhatma kartaham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. Don't be foolish person by false egotism that "I am free, I can do whatever I like." Then you'll suffer and remain in the path of repetition of birth and death. And there are 8,400,000 species of life. We have to go through this process, we fall down. So this human form of life is obtained, bahunaṁ janmanam ante [Bg. 7.19], after many many births, evolutional process we have got it. Now it is the time to understand our position. What is that position? The position is that we are eternal part and parcel of God.

mamaivaṁso jiva-loke
jiva-bhutaḥ; sanatanaḥ;
manaḥ; ṣaṣṭhanindriyaṇi
prakrti-sthani karṣati
[Bg. 15.7]

"These living entities," Krṣṇa says, "They are My part and parcels. But foolish rascals, they're creating concoction, mental speculation, to become happy." Manaḥ; ṣaṣṭhanindriyaṇi. And according to their mentality they are getting a different type of body, indriyaṇi. Indriyaṇi, the... As I was explaining in one morning, the pig has got also tongue, that is indriya, sense, and I have got also tongue, but his tongue will like to eat stool. We won't like. Because the different body, the tongue is also tasteful in different way. So indriyaṇi. Manaḥ; ṣaṣṭhanindriyaṇi. First of all with subtle mind we create a different type of indriya. If we live like dogs and hogs, then that mentality will give me similar senses, the body of a dog and hog. And we change our taste according to dog and hog. Similarly, we can change our taste according to the body of demigods. But the subject matter of tasting or enjoyment is the same. Eating, sleeping, sex and defense. That will continue. But the quality of eating may be different. Not the quality, but the form may be different.

So in this way things are going on. They are described in this Bhagavad-gita very widely and expressively. So every human being is expected to receive this knowledge directly from Krṣṇa. Don't interpret wrong way according to your whims. Take it as it is and be benefited. If you don't take it, asraddadhanaḥ; puruṣaḥ; [Bg. 9.3]. Those who have no interest to understand Bhagavad-gita as it is, the result is mam aprapya. Aprapya mam. He never approaches God. He remains in this material world of repetition of birth and death. That is not a very good job.

So our, this Krṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to enlighten people so that they can accept these principles of Bhagavad-gita. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission is para-upakara. And He advises everyone, especially Indians, to become guru. He said, amara ajñaya guru haña tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Every one of you, you become a guru, and try to deliver the persons where you are living. So how can I become guru? Yes, it is very easy. What is that? Yare dekha tare kaha 'krṣṇa'-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Then you become guru. You simply repeat what Krṣṇa has said in the Bhagavad-gita, you become guru. To become guru is not... But if you want to be a bluffer, cheater, then you can talk all nonsense. But if you actually talk only Krṣṇa's words, then you become a guru. It's not very difficult.

Krṣṇa says man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji maṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65], four things only. And mam evaiṣyasi asaṁsayaḥ; [Bg. 18.65]. "By doing these four things, without any doubt, you come back to Me." And what are those four things? Man-mana bhava. "Always think of Me." That is very difficult job? You are seeing... [break] So man-manaḥ;. And then you become bhakta. Unless you are bhakta, you cannot continue to think of Krṣṇa. Man-mana bhava mad, mad-yaji. "Worship Me." So here is Krṣṇa, accepting everyone's worship. And what is the means of worship? Very simple. If you can offer very valuable things, that is all right. But if you think that you are poor man, you cannot supply any valuable things, Krṣṇa says, "Never mind." Patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktya prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]. "Simply little flower, little fruit, if you offer Me with devotion, I accept." So there is no difficulty.

Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji maṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. These four things. Very, very easy to do it. It is universal. There is no restriction. It is not that "I am not a brahmaṇa, I am not an Indian, I am not a Sanskrit scholar, I cannot go to the temple." No, that is not. Krṣṇa says, maṁ hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuḥ; papa-yonayaḥ; [Bg. 9.32]. Never mind whether he is Indian, brahmaṇa or this or that. Even if he's born in the lowest, lowest grade of family, papa-yoni. They are kirata-huṇandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanaḥ; [SB 2.4.18], there are so many. They're papa-yoni, almost animal. Sudhyanti, they also become purified and comes to Krṣṇa. It is so wide, universal, easy and especially you are Indian, why you should not take advantage of this facility. You take it and be happy. That is my request. Thank you very much.

Guest: Swamiji, is there some way (indistinct) duty of the student to the knowledge (indistinct) guru shortcoming?

Prabhupada: First of all, you have to know who is guru. If you accept one rascal as guru, how you can be helped? First thing is who is guru. That I have already explained. Guru is he who repeats the words of Krṣṇa. He is guru. Otherwise he's a rascal. This is the test. Krṣṇa says that

tad viddhi praṇipatena
pariprasnena sevaya
upadekṣyanti te jñanaṁ
jñaninas tattva-darsinaḥ;
[Bg. 4.34]

So tattva-darsi, one who has seen the truth, you have to accept him as guru. Tattva-darsi. Darsi means who has practical experience. Take, for example, just like Arjuna. Arjuna is directly receiving the knowledge from Krṣṇa. He's guru. What he said, we accept that. But if you accept somebody who wants to kill Krṣṇa and become himself Krṣṇa, he's a rascal. He's not guru. Because his policy is to accept the place of Krṣṇa, not to serve Him. That is maya. And Krṣṇa has said very freely that

na maṁ duṣkrtino muḍhaḥ;
prapadyante naradhamaḥ;
mayayapahrta-jñana
asuraṁ bhavam asritaḥ;
[Bg. 7.15]

A person who is imbibed with asuric tendency... Asuric tendency means to refute the Supreme Personality of Godhead. All the asuras... Just like Ravaṇa. Ravaṇa is described as rakṣasa, asura. What was his fault? His fault was that he did not care for Rama. "What is this Rama? Kidnap his wife, bring him(her), I shall enjoy." This is rakṣasa. So he could not enjoy Sita, but the result was, with his whole family, state, and himself, everything, he was ruined. This is asura. So those who are asuraṁ bhavam asritaḥ;, followers of Ravaṇa, Hiraṇyakasipu, Kaṁsa, they do not surrender to Krṣṇa.

na maṁ duṣkrtino muḍhaḥ;
prapadyante naradhamaḥ;
mayayapahrta-jñana
asuraṁ bhavam asritaḥ;
[Bg. 7.15]

So our simple method is to see whether somebody is speaking about Krṣṇa or what Krṣṇa has said. If he does not do so, then immediately accept him asuraṁ bhavam asritaḥ;, a rakṣasa. How you can accept him as guru? A rakṣasa? That is your mistake. How can you accept a person as guru who has imbibed with rakṣasa. So then what is their position? Duṣkrtinaḥ;. Very sinful. Muḍhaḥ;, rascal, ass. Naradhamaḥ;, lowest of the mankind. "No, he's so educated." Mayayapahrta-jñanaḥ;. His so-called education has no value because maya has taken away the essence of... Because education means... Veda means knowledge. So the Vedas are there for education. So vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ; [Bg. 15.15]. Ultimately Vedanta, Vedanta means the ultimate knowledge. The end of knowledge. The end of knowledge is to know Krṣṇa. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ; [Bg. 15.15]. So after studying Vedas, if he does not understand Krṣṇa, then it is to be understood, mayayapahrta-jñanaḥ;, his knowledge has been taken away by maya. So simple thing is that Krṣṇa is the original guru. Mattaḥ; parataraṁ nanyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]. There is no more better guru than Krṣṇa. So anyone who repeats the words of Krṣṇa, teach others, he is guru. Otherwise he's a rascal.

Guest: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Why do you ask this question? That means you have no faith.

Guest: I have faith, I don't (indistinct) knowledge.

Prabhupada: You read this, then you'll get the knowledge.

Guest: I would like to know about what time

Prabhupada: Time it may be. Any time, but the knowledge is eternal. Just like Krṣṇa spoke five thousand years ago to Arjuna and some forty millions of years ago to the sun-god. Time is different. Once He spoke forty millions of... Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavan aham avyayam. Find out this verse:

imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur ikṣvakave 'bravit
[Bg. 4.1]

Evaṁ parampara-praptam imaṁ rajarṣayo viduḥ; [Bg. 4.2]. These things are there that Krṣṇa said to Arjuna that "This philosophy, yoga, the yoga system, bhakti-yoga, I spoke to Vivasvan, the sun-god." So if you take, take calculation... Because it is said there: vivasvan manave praha, if you take calculation of Manu, then you can calculate the age of Manu. Seventy-two cycle of four ages. Four ages means, one age means forty-three lakhs of years, multiply it by seventy-two. That becomes the duration of life of one Manu. So it is said that the sun-god said to Manu. So this is the age of Vaivasvata Manu. So you can understand when it was spoken. So we have calculated, it is about forty millions of years ago he spoke this... And Krṣṇa says sa evayaṁ maya te 'dya yogaḥ; proktaḥ; puratanaḥ; [Bg. 4.3]. Read that?

Hari-sauri:

sa evayaṁ maya te 'dya
yogaḥ; proktaḥ; puratanaḥ;
bhakto 'si me sakha ceti
rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam
[Bg. 4.3]

Prabhupada: Yes. Krṣṇa said "The same system I am speaking to you. Puratanaḥ;. Because you are My bhakta." So either you hear it forty millions of years ago or five thousand years ago or today from us, the subject matter is the same. Why do you make difference of the time? There is no difference of time. The subject, the puratanaḥ;, everything is the same old. Even it is spoken in different time, the subject matter remains the same. There is no change. Just like millions and millions of years ago there was sun. And what is the sun? Heat and light. And today also there is the sun. What is the sun. Heat and light. So there is no difference. There is no consideration of age. The subject matter is the same.

Guest: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Yes, eternally means that this creation, the material creation, it takes place at a certain date and it continues for certain millions and trillions of years, and again it becomes annihilated, dissolved. There is no creation for... Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. And again millions of years passes, and again there is creation. So one who does not take advantage of this creation, manifestation, especially in the human form of life, as I was discussing, mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani, then he remains in the path of birth and death in this creation, and because he does not deliver himself, then next creation and next creation. So unless he takes to it, it is eternally going on. If he does not take advantage of this opportunity, then he remains in the cycle of birth and, mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani. And the mrtyu-saṁsara-vartmani continues in this creation, next creation and before that it is going on.

Devotee: Another question?

Prabhupada: That's all right. Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya! Jaya Prabhupada! (end)

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