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Bombay, February 25, 1974

Purport

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

balaá¹ balavataá¹ cahaá¹
kama-raga-vivarjitam
dharmaviruddho bhuteá¹£u
kamo 'smi bharatará¹£abha

Translation: "I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bharatas, Arjuna."

Prabhupada: Next sloka also.

Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

ye caiva sattvika bhava
rajasas tamasas ca ye
matta eveti tan viddhi
na tv ahaá¹ teá¹£u te mayi

Translation: "All states of being, be they of goodness, passion or ignorance, are manifested by My energy. I am in one sense everything, but I am independent. I am not under the modes of this material nature."

Prabhupada:

balaá¹ balavataá¹ cahaá¹
kama-raga-vivarjitam
dharmaviruddho bhuteá¹£u
kamo 'smi bharatará¹£abha

Krṣṇa is explaining everything, how you can become Krṣṇa conscious twenty-four hours. The one process is, as recommended by Caitanya Mahaprabhu,

trṇad api sunicena
taror api sahiṣṇuna
amanina manadena
kirtaniyaḥ; sada hariḥ;
[Cc. Adi 17.31]

Kirtaniyaḥ; sada hariḥ;. "Always chanting the glories of the Lord." Man-manaḥ;... Satataá¹ kirtayanto mam [Bg. 9.14]. Krṣṇa also says in the Bha... Satataá¹ kirtayanto maá¹ yatantas ca drá¸ha-vrataḥ; [Bg. 9.14]. Namasyantas ca maá¹ bhaktya nitya-yukta upasate. These are the mahatmas, symptoms of mahatma. They are always engaged in chanting the holy name. Satatam. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu also recommends: kirtaniyaḥ; sada hariḥ;.

This is life. Human life is meant for this purpose. Kirtaniyaḥ; sada hariḥ;. We require something to eat because we have got this body. So minimizing the bodily enjoyments... Bodily enjoyment means... Or necessities. When you use bodily necessities in excessive proportion, that is called kama. Otherwise, to satisfy the bodily necessities, that is not kama. Therefore Krṣṇa says that kamo 'smi bharatarṣabha. Dharmaviruddho bhuteṣu. Dharma aviruddha. The religion, religion means regulation. DharmaṠtu sakṣad bhagavat-praṇitam [SB 6.3.19]. Everything has got regulation. Just like in our ordinary life, we get license. Even a man is keeping a wine shop—that is not good thing—but he must take license, regulation. The whole sastra means regulation. Sastra. The word sastra has come from sas-dhatu. Sas-dhatu means ruling, controlling. So from sas-dhatu, the sasana has come, government ruling. And sastra has come. And sastra has come. Sastra means weapon. Just like sword. It is called sastra. Or guns. And sastra also. Sastra is the regulative principles, the book of law. You cannot violate the book of laws. Yaḥ; sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karataḥ; [Bg. 16.23], na sukhaṠsavapnoti. You must keep yourself in regulative principles, according to the sastra.

So here Krṣṇa says, dharma aviruddhaḥ; kamaḥ;. The... In the sastra it is stated that jivo jivasya jivanam. "Every living entity is living by eating another living entity." That is nature. Ahastani sahastanam. Sastra says, in the Bhagavata, that "Those who have got no hands, they are food for the animal with hands." Those who are eating animals, they are also animals. Even human being, in the form of human being, eating animal. So one... human being means with hands, sahastanam. Hasta means hand, and sa means with. And the animals, ahastanam, ahastani, they have no hands. They have got only legs, four legs. So ahastani sahastanam. This, the with-hands animal, means those who are meat-eating, they are animals, but with hands. That is the difference. Here is an animal. Just like cows, goats, lambs. They are animals. And dogs. There are dog-eaters also. There is the word, sva-pacaḥ;. Sva-pacaḥ; means dog-eaters. Yaj-jihvagre nama tubhyam, aho bato sva-paco 'to gariyan yaj-jihvagre nama tubhyam. Even a person coming from the family of dog-eaters... There are dog-eaters still. So if he chants Hare Krṣṇa maha-mantra, he becomes glorious. Aho bato sva-paco 'to gariyan yaj-jihvagre nama tubhyam. Caṇá¸ala... They are called caṇá¸alas. Caṇá¸alo 'pi dvija-sreṣṭho hari-bhakti-parayaṇaḥ;. Even if a caṇá¸ala... Caṇá¸ala means the dog-eaters. So these animal-eaters, they are also animal, describing, animal with two hands. Ahastanaá¹ sahasta... Ahastani sahastanam. Apadani catuá¹£-padam. Apadani means those who have no legs, like plants, trees, the grass. They have no legs. They are standing. They have got legs, but they have no moving power. They are called pada-pa. Pada-pa means they have got legs for eating. We are eating with mouth; they are eating with legs.

So everything, analytical study is there in the sastras very minute, senses and power, who has got. The fish, they have got very good sensation power. Means two miles away, they get sensation there is enemy, "Somebody's coming to eat me." These are all described in the Bhagavatam. The frogs, they can become in samadhi, situated in samadhi, for many, many years. So these things are not very great things, to have samadhi, to have yogic principles. Even in the animals you will find. I read long, long ago that in the coal mine, while they were digging coals, one frog came out from the coal and jumped over and died. That means the frog was buried within the lump of coal for many, many thousands of years, and he was keeping samadhi. Kumbhaka, kumbhaka-yoga they know. So these are not very extraordinary things. Because after all, living entity is eternal, does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. If, by some process, he lives for some time more, that is not very wonderful thing. The wonderful thing is how to stop this birth and death. That is wonderful thing. Not that I am living, say, for fifty years or hundred years, another man is living for three hundred years. That is not very wonderful thing.

So there is regulative principles in the sastra, as I was explaining. (aside:) Why the boys shall talk? So we must follow the... If we want to make our life perfect, we must follow the regulative principles. Just like good citizen means... What is that good citizen? Good citizen means who follows the laws of the state. He is good citizen. Good citizenship means strictly following the laws of the government. Similarly, first-class human being means who follows the laws of God. That's all. He's first-class. And those who are simply violating the laws of God, they are third class, fourth class, tenth class. It will be explained a few verses after that na maá¹ duá¹£krtino muá¸haḥ; prapadyante naradhamaḥ; [Bg. 7.15]. Those who are simply violating the laws of God, they are called duá¹£krtinaḥ;, miscreants. Such class of men... There are so many classes of men. Krṣṇa is mentioning some of them. Na maá¹ duá¹£krtino muá¸haḥ;. The duá¹£krtinaḥ;, those who are simply violating the laws of God, they are called duá¹£krtinaḥ;. So such persons cannot come to Krṣṇa consciousness, God consciousness. One must follow the rules and regulation, sastra.

Sastra means which is giving you regulative life. In regulative life sex life is... [break] That is sastra. That is regulative principle. And even with your wife you cannot have sex life unless it meant for progeny, for producing children, Krṣṇa conscious children, not cats and dogs. That is dharmaviruddhaḥ;. That is not against religious principles. That is very nice. Just like to produce brahmacaris. Brahmacari, wherefrom the brahmacari comes? It comes from the grhastha life. Unless one marries, how he can beget children who become brahmacari? So if you produce brahmacari, then you can produce hundreds of brahmacari. That is allowed. But don't produce cats and dogs. That is dharmaviruddhaḥ;. Krṣṇa says, "I am there." Everything is there. Krṣṇa is everything. Even in sexual intercourse there is Krṣṇa. But how? Dharmaviruddhaḥ;, not against the laws of sastra. In the sastra it is said that you'll have sex life after the menstrual period, sex life you have. But when your wife becomes pregnant, no more sex life. No more sex life. This is the injunction of the sastra. You cannot have sex life for producing illegitimate son. That is described in the... That is called varṇa-saṅkara. One who produces illegitimate children, the world becomes full of varṇa-saṅkara, unwanted children, and thus the whole world becomes hell. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Now it is a fact, everyone knows, that so many children are... Especially in the Western country, I have seen. A girl is not married, but she has got child. What is that? That is varṇa-saṅkara. So varṇa-saṅkara increases; the world becomes hellish. Why so much trouble now? Because... Don't mind. It is according to sastra. The whole population is varṇa-saṅkara. Therefore there is no regulative principles. If you follow regulative principles, there is no problem. And this regulative principle is Krṣṇa svayam. DharmaṠtu sakṣad bhagavat-praṇitam [SB 6.3.19]. He's giving, He's saying, dharmaviruddhaḥ; kamo 'smi bhuteṣu bharatarṣabha. So there is Krṣṇa consciousness even in begetting children. Provided you follow.

So everything can be employed. Just like I was explaining to George—just now he came—that actually there is nothing material. Everything is spiritual. As Krṣṇa is explaining from the very beginning: bhumir apo 'nalo vayuḥ; khaṠmano buddhir...prakrtir me bhinna aṣṭadha [Bg. 7.4]. Prakrti, "My nature." Nature I have already explained. Just like nature of fire. How do you understand the nature? By heat and light. That is the nature. Wherever there is fire... Parvato bhanuman dhumat.(?) The example is given. Just like long, long, high... I have seen in Naimitad.(?) There is fire. There is smoke. So that smoke means there is fire. That is the symptom. You cannot separate smoke from fire. That is not possible. Smoke is nature. Similarly, nature and the source from which... Just like fire. It is coming, the smoke. You cannot separate. Similarly, if bhumiḥ; apaḥ; analaḥ; vayuḥ; kham, this material nature is coming from Krṣṇa, how you can separate it from Krṣṇa? It is also Krṣṇa. That is Krṣṇa consciousness. One who does not see bhumi, immediately remembers that "This is Krṣṇa's nature," he remembers immediately Krṣṇa. That is Krṣṇa consciousness. Even by seeing land. So devotee sees like that. "Oh, this land is so nice. Why not construct a nice temple for Krṣṇa?" This is Krṣṇa conscious vision. "Oh, there are so many skyscrapers. Why not construct a nice skyscraper temple of Krṣṇa?" That is Krṣṇa consciousness.

So soon as you become Krṣṇa conscious, you become spiritual. Just like as soon as there is fire, immediately you become hot, warm. You touch the iron rod in the fire; it becomes warm, warmer, warmer, then it becomes red-hot. And when it is red-hot, it is no more iron rod; it is fire. You touch everywhere, the same iron rod will burn. Similarly, if you become fully Krṣṇa conscious, there is nothing material. Your body's spiritual, your mind is spiritual, your soul is already spiritual—everything is spiritual. Sarvaá¹ khalv idaá¹ brahma. That is Krṣṇa consciousness. So simply we have to bring Krṣṇa in every activities. Krṣṇa consciousness movement is that for, for that purpose. And there will be no problems. You bring Krṣṇa. Yat karoá¹£i yaj juhoá¹£i yad dadasi yad asnasi yat tapasyasi kuruá¹£va tad mad-arpaṇam [Bg. 9.27]. Krṣṇa says, "Whatever you eat..." Just like we are eating prasadam. Others will see, "They are eating á¸ala-bhata, and they are calling prasadam." Because he has no Krṣṇa consciousness. And one who has got Krṣṇa consciousness, he eats the same á¸ala-bhata... It is not á¸ala-bhata. It is spiritualized, because it is offered to Krṣṇa. Krṣṇa has eaten it. Krṣṇa eats. Don't think that "The things are there. Krṣṇa has not eaten." No, Krṣṇa has eaten. But Krṣṇa's eating and your eating is different. If I give you something to eat, you'll finish the whole thing, but Krṣṇa is purṇa. Purṇasya purṇam adaya purṇam eva avasiá¹£yate [Iso Invocation]. This is the Vedic injunction. He can eat, and He can leave. Otherwise, is He speaking false?

patraá¹ puá¹£paá¹ phalaá¹ toyaá¹
yo me bhaktya prayacchati
tad ahaá¹ bhakty-upahrtam
asnami prayatatmanaḥ;
[Bg. 9.26]

He eats. So one friend belongs to the Arya-samaj. He asked me this question, that "You are offering in the temple, but does Krṣṇa eat?" Certainly He eats. Why not? "No, the things are there. How He eats?" Why you are comparing your eating and Krṣṇa's eating the same? Avajananti maá¹ muá¸ha manuá¹£iá¹ tanum asritam, paraá¹ bhavam ajanantaḥ; [Bg. 9.11]. These rascals do not know what is Krṣṇa. He thinks, "Krṣṇa is like me." These rascals. They do not know what Krṣṇa. Why?

manuṣyaṇaṠsahasreṣu
kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanaá¹
kascin maṠvetti tattvataḥ;
[Bg. 7.3]

He does not know. Krṣṇa can be known by the mercy of Krṣṇa. Bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvataḥ; [Bg. 18.55]. If you want to know Krṣṇa tattvataḥ;, in truth, then you have to go through this bhakti process, not by your speculative process. Krṣṇa is not open to your sensual gratification. NahaṠprakasaḥ; sarvasya yogamaya-samavrtaḥ; [Bg. 7.25]. He cannot be revealed to anyone and everyone. Yogamaya-samavrtaḥ;. He's covered. Just like at night we cannot see the sun. That does not mean the sun is not in the sky. This is foolishness. If somebody thinks, "Now we cannot see the sun. Therefore sun is gone, dead..." Formerly people used to think like that. What is that? Some people? Used to think that sun is dead? So Krṣṇa is everywhere. As sun is always there in the sky, Now it is, say, half-past eight. So the morning, half-past eight, is also there, present. In America it is half-past eight, morning. There you'll see sun. So because at night in India, in Bombay, half-past eight we cannot see the sun, it does not mean the sun is finished. If you go to America, in Los Angeles, you'll see the sun. Similarly, Krṣṇa is always present. Simply you have to prepare your eyes to see Krṣṇa.

Therefore Krṣṇa says that dharmaviruddho bhuteá¹£u kamo 'smi bharatará¹£abha. Who is following the, strictly the regulative principles, even in sex life he can see Krṣṇa. Which is considered abominable, but even in sex life, if you are following the rules and regulations, you can see Krṣṇa. Therefore when such sons are begotten, they become devotees of Krṣṇa. Therefore according to Hindu principles, there is garbhadhana-saá¹skara, ten kinds of saá¹skaras, reformative measures. So the sex life should be also open to the saá¹skara. It is a saá¹skara. Garbhadhana-saá¹skara. Garbhadhana-saá¹skara means when you are going to make your wife pregnant, there is saá¹skara, there is ceremony. And especially in the brahmaṇa families, if there is no garbhadhana-saá¹skara, he immediately becomes a sudra. This is the shastric. You must follow the saá¹skara. Saá¹skarad bhaved dvijaḥ; janmana jayate sudraḥ;. One who follows the saá¹skaras, then he becomes purified. This is, this is called dharmaviruddhaḥ;, "not against the religious principles."

So if we do not follow the principles, then we are animals. That's all. That is the difference between the animal and man. If you do not follow the regulative principles enjoined in the sastras... Yaḥ; sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karataḥ;, kama-karataḥ;, na sukhaṠsavapnoti [Bg. 16.23]. Because we do not follow the shastric injunction, therefore we are thinking that "Population is increasing; let us use contraceptive method." The so-called contraceptive method is there because we are having sex life against religion. Against religion. But if you have sex life in, mean, pursuance of the religious principles, you don't require. Because to become father and mother is not restricted, but to become father and mother of cats and dogs is restricted. To become father and mother is not restricted. That is nature. You become father of hundreds children. But don't produce cats and dogs. Then there will be... Then dharmaviruddhaḥ;... And there will be unwanted population, problem, fight, no peace, no tranquillity. Everything, all, it will be hell.

So because people are producing children against religious principles, therefore the whole world if full of varṇa-saṅkara, and there is no peace. So if you follow the principles of Bhagavad-gita, automatically there will be peace. Because every children, every boy, every girl will be sober, Krṣṇa conscious. And therefore sastra prohibits, pita na sa syat, one should not become father; janani na sa syat, one should not become mother; gurur na sa syat, one should not become guru. One... In this way, there are... Why? Na mocayed yaḥ; samupeta-mrtyum. If you cannot stop the course of birth and death of your children, then don't become a father. This is called religious contraceptive. Remain without children. That is called dharmika life. If you can stop the birth and death of your children... Birth and death means... Because dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaraṠyauvanaṠjara [Bg. 2.13]. The real soul, the real life is within the body, while... And he's transmigrating. The... Transmigrating from one body to another. That is called death. And when he comes out from one, another body, that is called birth. So as soon as you get—klesada asa dehaḥ;—this body, full of miserable condition, then you again put into miserable condition of life. Therefore if you can stop your childrens' birth and death any more, then beget children. This is the shastric injunction. And if the father does not know how to stop his own birth and death, then what is the use of producing children? The father should be so sympathetic with the children, with the sons, that he must know what is the pains and pleasure of birth and death.

So every parent desires welfare of his children, of their children. So this is the greatest welfare, that "This child has come in my womb, he has become my son. This is the last time. No more birth and death. He will be educated in that way." That is father's responsibility. Not that eat him, get him meat-eating, and get him fat. However fat he may be, he'll die. (laughter) You cannot stop his death simply by making him fat like elephant. Therefore it is said, dharmaviruddha. Don't beget children if you have no responsibility. But they think that "We'll have sex life, but we shall avoid this responsibility. So then let us use contraceptive." This is greatest sinful life. Greatest sinful life. You are killing, murderer. Now in the Western countries, they are actually killing. They have made law. So if the society has become so awfully sinful, how they can expect peace and prosperity? That is not possible. That is not possible.

Therefore na maá¹ duá¹£krtino muá¸haḥ; prapad... [Bg. 7.15]. That sloka will be explained later on. Those who are leading sinful lives, simply sinful life, duá¹£krtinaḥ;... Krti means very meritorious. But duá¹£krti, they're the opposite. It is not sukrti. Su means "for well-being," and duá¹£krti means "for creating disturbances." There are many brains nowadays. They know how to use the brain. But duá¹£krtinaḥ;. Therefore a godless society, there is so much restlessness in the society. Because the duá¹£krtinaḥ; are working. Now, in their place, sukrtinaḥ; must be brought. Catur-vidha bhajante maá¹ sukrtino 'rjuna. Then there will be peace and prosperity.

Thank you very much. (end)

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