(much background noise)

Harikesa: Speak loudly.

Hari-sauri: It's very noisy.

Mahamsa: This is Dr. Ghosh. This is Visukeran(?) Agarwal, one of our very close friends in Hyderabad. He's a very close friend in Hyderabad.

Prabhupada: I think I have seen you.

Mahamsa: Oh, yes, yes.

Prabhupada: Dr. Ghosh. (conversation in Bengali)

Dr. Ghosh: And he knows about Parikana(?). It's a very wonderful place.

Prabhupada: I shall go there.

Mahamsa: There are very, very big...

Dr. Ghosh: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupada)

Prabhupada: Do you think they are ordinary calf?

Mahamsa: To be embraced by Krsna.

Prabhupada: They are associates. They are associating with Lord as calf, as cow. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis tabhir ya eva nija-rupataya kalabhiḥ; [Bs. 5.37]. Nija-rupa. (Guest speaks in Bengali, Prabhupada English) In Vrndavana, the trees, the land, the water—everyone, ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhiḥ;. That is expansion of Krsna's spiritual energy. Cit-sakti. There are three energies: spiritual, material, and marginal. So Vrndavana affairs means expansion of Krsna's spiritual energy. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa. Sac-cid-ananda. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa. Rasa, mellow. Everyone is trying to relish some mellow. Here in this material world we get family to taste some mellows. One kind of mellow is wife, one kind of mellow are children, one kind of mellow is the servants, one kind of mellow is the friends, one kind of mellow is the properties. They are all mellows, rasa. Unless there is some taste, why one should be hankering after all these things? Why one is hankering after some woman or some man or some friends or for children? One who has got no children, he's hankering after some child. He's expecting, "When I shall get a child?" The rasa. There is husband-wife rasa, but there is no rasa of the child. Therefore they are praying, "When we shall get a child?" So there is another rasa. So raso vai saḥ;. He is the reservoir of rasas. So if we derive all the rasas from the Supreme, because He is the reservoir of rasas.

Mahamsa: Akhila-rasamrta-sindhu.

Prabhupada: Akhila-rasamrta, yes. Akhila-rasamrta-sindhu. So you can have all the rasas. That is the origin of bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. In bhakti, that rasa, you become in the ocean of rasa. You're hankering after rasas. There is a Vedic injunction, raso vai saḥ; labdhvanandi anandi.(?) One who has got the rasa, labdhvanandi, then he gets the real ananda. That ananda-cinmaya-rasa expansion is Krsna's calves, cows, gopi friends, cowherd boy friends, Nanda, Yasodamayi, so many. So to be Krsna conscious means to participate with these rasas. It is not dry. It is not dry like, simply so 'ham, so'ham. So 'ham, they do not know the meaning. So 'ham means I belong to the same rasa. I also eligible to enjoy the same rasa. But Krsna is... [break] ...and the calves, the cows are enjoying the rasa as predominated. Just like husband and wife, they are enjoying, both. But one is enjoying as the husband, predominator. The husband is forcefully dragging the wife. She's also... While she is dragged by force, she enjoys. That is another rasa. But there is rasa. Combined together it becomes rasa. Similarly Krsna does not enjoy this material. This material rasa is the perverted reflection of that cinmaya-rasa. So we have to get ourselves nil of all these material rasas and we have to be situated in the cinmaya. Then our, anandamayo 'bhyasat (Vedanta-sutra 1.1.12). Then our life is perfect. This is Krsna consciousness. Rasa is there. Here perverted reflection. This perverted reflection... My Guru Maharaja used to say to taste milk in white lime water. White lime water, it looks like milk. But it is not milk. It is different thing. Similarly, we are trying to taste the rasa of milk in lime water. Therefore we are baffled.

Guest: That is true. Whole universe is rasa. Even in Mars they're trying to find humidity. What is humidity, rasa. Everything is moving on the rasa only. We are floating on rasa.

Prabhupada: Our aim of understanding this Krsna consciousness, it is not a sentiment. It is a great science, great science. Otherwise how we are writing so many books? If it was a dry...

Guest: Nothing happens in dryness.

Prabhupada: Why people are accepting our books? You'll be surprised we are selling book to the extent of six lakhs of rupees per day. Daily. Daily we are selling six lakhs of rupees' worth all over the world. So people think philosophy, religion is dry subject matter. If it was dry subject matter, how they could purchase so many books? It is ananda-cinmaya-rasa. They are getting for the first time. Here is real ananda. Therefore they are appreciating. Everyone, learned circle, they are appreciation. In (indistinct) foreign circles. So, there was no such literature. It is the first time. Srimad-bhagavatam amalam puranam vaisnavanam... So unless, they're really relishing some rasa, how they are purchasing? This is the first distribution of ananda-cinmaya-rasa throughout the whole world, this Krsna consciousness movement. So I am very happy that you are also joining. Let us join together.

Guest: We can consult and fix a date, what suits Prabhupada best, then I will arrange for the rest at that date.

Mahamsa: When are you leaving Hyderabad?

Guest: I'm leaving just after... You see I was leaving long ago, but he was coming. So I will leave 19th morning plane. That is the day after the Janmasṭami tomorrow. Night, whatever festivity I'll be here. I think there will be some sankirtana also. After that, early morning, I'll catch the plane and go up to Madras and there I shall fly again to Mathila.(?) It is not very far, as you are thinking, but (Bengali) ...to recharge. Because they are recharging the battery of the urban line. But they also will be recharging that battery in a nice cosmic place.

Prabhupada: Ananda-cinmaya-rasa, our rasa, it can be tasted by the topmost intellectual man and it can be tasted by the lowest...

Guest: No intellect at all. I know that.

Prabhupada: But why? Because this intellect, highest or lowest, that is in relationship with the body. But it is beyond the body. It is not... sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. It is beyond the three gunas. The body is of the material gunas—sattva, rajas, tamas. One man is good man, one man is passionate, one is foolish. Guna. Karanam guna-sango'sya. Purusaḥ; prakrti-stho hi bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan [Bg. 13.22]? Find out this. Purusaḥ; prakrti-stho hi. Everything is explained. Bhagavad-gita.

Guest: Srimad-Bhagavatam is matchless. We are reading and re-reading, and every time we find much more, you see? Terrific. And you have put the simplest method—"as it is" as you say. Why complicate, tinker this... That is why... You know we can be safely called intellectuals. But you know we are tired of it. Tired. We cannot find anything. Neti neti vicara te patra patra... Impossible. Then what do you get out of the life? The joy, rasa (Bengali) And that is the main substance. To get it you cannot get neti neti (Bengali)...

Prabhupada: Purusaḥ; prakrti-stho hi [Bg. 13.22]. Purusaḥ;. Why you cannot find this verse? What you are...

Mahamsa: Purusaḥ; prakrti, bhuñjante...

Prabhupada: Tad gunan. Purusaḥ; prakrti-stho hi. You did not find?

Guest: (Bengali) Bhagavatam series twenty volume.

Prabhupada: Caitanya-caritamrta. Seventeen volumes. Seventeen.

Guest: I have only two. Can I, is there any set available? I would like to buy the rest.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Mahamsa:

purusaḥ; prakrti-stho hi
bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan
karanam guna-sango 'sya
sad-asad-yoni-janmasu
[Bg. 13.22]

Prabhupada: Purusa, the living entity, he is now within the material energy. Prakrti-sthaḥ;. Purusaḥ; prakrti...

Mahamsa: Purusaḥ; prakrti-stho hi.

Prabhupada: Stho hi.

Mahamsa: Bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan.

Prabhupada: On account of his being in touch with the material energy, he has to suffer or enjoy the modes of material nature. Modes of material nature. And because, just like in your medical science one is suffering from a certain type of disease on account of his being infected by the similar verus or..., what is called?

Mahamsa: Virus.

Prabhupada: Virus.

Guest: Virus. (Bengali) Now we know even the inanimate is animate, but by biology only it is changing. All the unanimate subject is slowly being transformed into animate. We are all convinced the whole process is the same. It's a terrific science now, biology. Latest, we have discovered. I am also working on biology quite a bit for all the virus disease and all. And we can eliminate them by only vacuum. My whole cure, they call it miracle and all is nonsense, it is only creating a vacuum which automatically takes away.

Prabhupada: This biology will be complete...

Guest: When we accept this.

Prabhupada: ...when you accept this.

Guest: I know. (laughs) And I have accepted long ago. Because I felt, as a sincere worker, medicine doesn't interest me. What interests me is the cure. My profession is to cure, not to study the medicines. That is the cure.

Prabhupada: Here it is very clearly stated that karanam guna-sango 'sya [Bg. 13.22]. The biology, infection. Karanam, that is the karanam. Karanam guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-janma-yonisu. Why there are varieties of life? One is very intelligent...

Guest: You know also in (Sanskrit).

Prabhupada: Same thing.

Guest: Same thing, no? Everything has light. Only it is in transformation by that formula it is inanimate to animate. That is what is happening all around us.

Prabhupada: So, if from... Just like medical science... It is also a medical science. Bhavausadhi. It is... ausadhi means medical science. This is bhavausadhi. By this treatment one becomes relieved from the material disease. Bhavausadhi. Bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat. But the medicine is so nice that it is pleasing to the ears and to the heart. The medicine pleasing to the ear? What is that.

Mahamsa: Hari-nama.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna.

Guest: (Bengali) We decide a date, and take... Not too... We have no means for having too many people, but about dozen people, or ten people can come. And they will have all facility. We can arrange a station wagon and everything there. You have to come up to Kore Canal(?) Road Station. And if you like we shall arrange for your departure from Madras. We will come with you. We will accompany you all the way. (Bengali conversation interspersed) When you come there I'll get everything ready. It is settled you are coming at there earliest.

Prabhupada: Yes. When they'll make program, conveniently.

Guest: I'm leaving on 29th morning. If you can give me a word by tomorrow evening. Not 29th, 19th. Today is 17th.

Prabhupada: They cannot decide so soon. Janmasṭami kare, another program is that we are going that side during (indistinct). So we have to see. You also send this.

Mahamsa: Yes, I have to take little time.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Please come in.

Indians: Jaya, Prabhupada ki jaya.

Gurukrpa: He's a life member from Bangalore. He was one of our first members in South India.

Prabhupada: I saw you? Give them prasada.

Indian man: Last night at the airport.

Devotee: They had prasada.

Prabhupada: (Hindi or Bengali)

bhagavad-bhakti-hinasya
jatiḥ; sastram japas tapaḥ;
apranasyeva dehasya
manḍanam loka-rañjanam

Without bhagavad-bhakti, this so-called advancement of civilization is simply decorating the dead body.

Guest: Correct. Cent percent correct.

Prabhupada: What is the use of decorating the dead body?

Guest: Correct. Yes. We must decorate real...

Prabhupada: And this body is... Either dead or alive, Bhagavad-gita condemns, gatasun agatasums ca nanusocanti panḍitaḥ; [Bg. 2.11]. So these rascals are interested with this body, and they're proud of their advancement of education. Bhagavad-gita says nanusocanti panḍitaḥ;. So they are passing as great scientists, philosophers, politicians, philanthropists, but all apanḍitaḥ;. Nanusocanti panḍitaḥ;. That means apanḍita. (Bengali) The first thing of Bhagavad-gita lesson is that asocyan anvasocas tvam prajña-vadan [Bg. 2.11]. "Talking like a learned man, but you are rascal." Apanḍitaḥ;. One who is not educated, he's a rascal. So He's indirectly saying, "This kind of lamentation is not for the panḍita. It is for the rascal." So whole world is interested with this body, and Bhagavad-gita's teaching begins condemning the concept of body. Gatasun agatasums ca nanusocanti panḍitaḥ;. Dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara tatha dehantara-praptiḥ; [Bg. 2.13]. Nobody knows this. And they are very learned scholars in Bhagavad-gita. All these rascals, they're claiming to be learned scholar of Bhagavad-gita.

Guest: We are lucky souls that we are surrendered souls.

Prabhupada: (Bengali) Whatever is done it is by single man's effort. If all our actual leaders, they take up, then India will be glorified. They'll feel... Yes, they're expecting. Outside India, people, they expect that there is something better knowledge in India. Therefore as soon as some swamis or yogi goes there, they come. But they cheat. These rascals, I shall say that, they do not know anything, and they go there for teaching yoga. Bogus.

Guest: Bogus, bogus. So many bogus people are going.

Prabhupada: They do not know what is yoga.

Guest: They do not know what is what. What that is truth. They don't know.

Prabhupada: And they get cheap money and women and that's all. That is their business. (Bengali)

Gurukrpa: He has a temple. The whole third floor of his house is a temple. He has Sita-Rama, Krsna, Gopala. He has big temple. They have sankirtana every night. Every morning and night.

Guest: (Bengali conversation)

Gurukrpa: That Ranganatha temple is that temple where they do not allow us in. So Sampat Kumar and all of these panḍitas, they will sign one letter trying to request them. Also with the Puri people. To request them to let us in. While they are all here they will do that. Also Sampat Kumar was thinking that in November and December in South India the weather is nice because the rainy season is finished, and it would be a very good time to go and visit many of the temples. He personally knows many people in all the big temples. Shri Rangam, Kañcipuram, Maha Balipuram, Tirupati. They could arrange for receptions and programs.

Prabhupada: (Bengali) South India, Indian culture is still there. Other parts of India, they are not now Indian.

Guest: Correct. (Bengali)

Prabhupada: We have got buses. They have got buses, two, three. Any number of. It is very simple method. That we combine together, Indian and foreigners. Go in buses. (Bengali) Now it should be organized. This is simply (Bengali).

Guest: You must also come in Bangalore once. Then it will be all...

Prabhupada: Immediately think over that. These Europeans, Americans are there. Now get up the association of another, at least one dozen, and let us go together, grama to grama,...

Yasodanandana: We could go from Madras...

Prabhupada: Anywhere.

Guest: Anywhere. Any village. All the villages...

Prabhupada: You start from anywhere and go anywhere and sit down and chant. In India, Bharata-bhumi (Hindi). Thousands will come. That is India. You won't have to advertise that there is hari-kirtana, come. No. As soon as you begin, immediately thousands. As soon as there will be sugar grain, immediately the ants will come. It is like that. This is a fact.

Guest: Correct, correct. Hundred per cent correct.

Prabhupada: (Bengali) Just get one dozen good, I mean, good or bad. It doesn't matter, who is ready to work for this purpose. And our men are ready. Our buses are ready. So let us go. There is no question of selecting place. Anywhere. Anywhere.

Guest: Any place, anywhere, all the places.

Prabhupada: You go and find out some good place for camping and begin kirtana. Get down from the bus and begin kirtana. Then all friends will come immediately. They will offer shelter, they will offer food. Everything. One thing is, their difficulty is language. Indians are there, they can speak on the local language.

Guest: They can explain everything.

Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore wanted.(?)

Yasomatinandana: Vaikunṭha Ekadasi. In Shri Rangam they have this giant festival every year, the biggest festival in India. It's Vaikunṭha Ekadasi in December.

Guest: Last December we went there.

Yasomatinandana: November-December is a very good time. Pañca-puram. Bharadvaja.

Guest: (Bengali) This is the original birth, Shri Rangam.

Prabhupada: Now with Suraji's(?) cooperation make a program.

Yasomatinandana: Yes, we will do like that. November-December will be very suitable time. Then in January the Kumbhamela, we will try to organize something big there also. January, Allahabad, Kumbhamela.

Prabhupada: (Bengali) That's all. Stop now.

Harikesa: I was just going to say you should take massage now. I was just going to say it's time for massage.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Harikesa: Can I tell you about the bank? Punjab National Bank is down the street, and we have our temple account there.

Prabhupada: Oh, Punjab National Bank is there.

Harikesa: So how much do you want to deposit?

Prabhupada: That I have to count.

Harikesa: So we can do it any time. And before you arrange this Kumbhamela, it's very cold there.

Prabhupada: Don't talk now.

Harikesa: Okay. (long pause)

Prabhupada: (indistinct)

Hari-sauri: Everything is going on. Wood carving, cement lay, painting, marble polishing. The yajña.

Prabhupada: If we would have remained there. These people are coming. How they could see?

Hari-sauri: Still, it would have been very quiet.

Prabhupada: We are not (indistinct). Besides that, we don't want quietness. We want how many (indistinct).

Hari-sauri: Jaya. If you wanted quietness you could have stayed in Vrndavana.

Prabhupada: Yes. (end)