Prabhupada: ...occupied?

Jayatirtha: Oh yes, all of them.

Prabhupada: And is there any house for sale?

Jayatirtha: Any more houses for sale?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayatirtha: There are always a couple... [break] ...too much money. [break]

Harikesa: Morning walk, June 21st, L.A. [break]

Prabhupada: What does he mean? You are all here. Now I want to see that seventeen books are waiting in the... So when it will be finished? I want to know.

Jayatirtha: This morning, if you like, we can go to the press building, and we can show you what we've done to improve the situation.

Prabhupada: All right.

Jayatirtha: And inform you about the schedules.

Prabhupada: What time do you want to go there?

Jayatirtha: Perhaps around... When is convenient? Ten o'clock? Before the massage?

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...fed up with so-called religion. Therefore they're angry. But when they find this is real, genuine, everyone will accept. [break]

Brahmananda: ...wants to come and see you, he likes your movement very much. He has written one review of one of your books. He also met you I think briefly. He is from Boston, Mr. Leo Prudden, Professor Leo Prudden. Now he lives here in Los Angeles.

Jayatirtha: There will be many professors coming over to see you while you are here.

Prabhupada: Yes...

Jayatirtha: Ph.D.'s, and psychologists,...

Prabhupada: Ask them to see me. What time we should fix up?

Brahmananda: I think afternoon? You prefer afternoon? Or early time?

Prabhupada: Afternoon is a nice...

Brahmananda: Yes. [break]

Jayatirtha: ...men from the University of Southern California wants to come and see you, the chairman and many of the members.

Prabhupada: Oh. Then invite them and give them nice feast, yes. Make arrangement. Time, whatever suitable time you will fix up, I...

Jayatirtha: We'll discuss it with Upendra when is the best time. [break]

Prabhupada: ...hina pasubhiḥ; samanaḥ;. "As soon as one become bereft of religion, he's animal." That's all. That is the difference between animals and man. They think to become polished animal is advancement of civilization. To become lion is advancement of civilization. "Because I am stronger than the dog therefore I am civilized." Americans think like that. "Because we are stronger than the Chinese dog or Russian cat, therefore I am civilized." (laughs) This is going on. "Because I am tiger, I am lion..." He doesn't think that after, "You be tiger or lion; You are animal." Just see. [break] ...purusaḥ; pasuḥ;. Sva-viḍ-varaha usṭra-kharaiḥ;. I think we were discussing this verse? Samstutaḥ; purusaḥ; pasuḥ;. [break]

Brahmananda: ...verse would you like to read from this morning?

Prabhupada: Yes, Sixth Canto, Ajamila. [break]

Prabhupada: ...got this coat?

Tamala Krsna: Gurukrpa Maharaja. He got it made in Vrndavana.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. I see that it is not American. [break] ...umbrellas. [break] ...this place?

Jayatirtha: This is a place where they have social functions.

Prabhupada: Oh. [break] So many dogs, "best friends." [break] ...they have erased, "No dogs on beach," "Dogs on beach." (laughter) Just see how lawful they are. [break] How many books are pending? Ramesvara?

Ramesvara: I think we have just added one more in the Sixth Canto since you have started translating it.

Prabhupada: No, no. How many books are pending?

Ramesvara: Still about seventeen.

Prabhupada: So?

Ramesvara: We have just sent Madhya Two...

Prabhupada: They are not complete?

Ramesvara: You have finished them.

Prabhupada: No, I have finished. I mean to edit, editing?

Ramesvara: Editing, we are done five volumes in Madhya-lila and two volumes in Antya-lila. But they are being held up in the Sanskrit division.

Prabhupada: So you get it corrected. I am present. I will do that.

Ramesvara: I think when Nitai and Jagannatha come, Srila Prabhupada, all the books will come out within a few months, all of them.

Prabhupada: No, no, not a few months. I want these seventeen pending books must be printed within two months. That I want. Otherwise disqualification. Yes. [break] ...be done. Your so many GBC's are here, and you are also here, I am also here. Decide! It must be done. It is too much delay. [break] ...constructing something here, but stopped? What is that?

Bahulasva: No, they just use that for cleaning the beach.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bahulasva: They use that for cleaning up the garbage on the beach.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Jayatirtha: I think this is some sort of volley ball or tennis that goes on inside there.

Prabhupada: Inside the wall...

Jayatirtha: Inside the wall there's some sort of sports arena, tennis and...

Prabhupada: Oh. [break] Satsvarupa Maharaja, what is your report?

Satsvarupa: Report?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Satsvarupa: Well, er...

Prabhupada: Standing order?

Satsvarupa: They're still getting them in public libraries in Detroit...

Prabhupada: They have got standing order from Oxford University.

Satsvarupa: You heard?

Prabhupada: No, they have got, sent me the copy of the standing order.

Satsvarupa: Oh, that's wonderful. They're getting letters from big professors at Cambridge and Oxford in praise of the books. They'll be very, very useful.

Bahulasva: [break] ...professors are very impressed with your books, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bahulasva: All the professors are very impressed with your books.

Prabhupada: Impressed?

Bahulasva: Yes.

Prabhupada: That is nice.

Satsvarupa: We just got a review published in a magazine called Choice which is used... It's very important. It's used by all the libraries all over the country, and the review was excellent. They didn't say one bad thing. You should see that review.

Prabhupada: Where? You have got that copy?

Ramesvara: We have copy. I can bring it in today.

Satsvarupa: That one review does more work than we could do by traveling all over the country for a year. Because the librarians, when we go to them, they say, "Well, we usually order our books from this Choice magazine." But now we're in it. So...

Prabhupada: So Krsna is helping us. Take advantage of it. [break] Vyasadeva compiled Srimad-Bhagavatam for this purpose. Anartha upasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaja. These lokasya ajanataḥ;, people are suffering on account of ignorance, so to give them proper knowledge, he made this Srimad-Bhagavatam. [break] Who can become more learned than Vyasadeva? Therefore he is known as vidvan, the most, supreme learned. He made this Srimad-Bhagavatam to help these rascals who are spoiling their life only in sense gratification. [break] Life is meant for tapasya. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyed [SB 5.5.1]. They do not know that our existentional condition is impure. The question does not arise that "I do not wish to die. Why there is death?" They are so dull-headed, this question does not... They are trying to solve so many question, but this question does not arise in their mind, that "I don't wish to die. Why death is forced upon me?" Inquire. Come on, all philosophers and scientists, come and make an inquiry commission, that "I don't want to die. The death is forced upon me. I don't want to become old man, and it is forced upon me. What is the reason?" Therefore they are rascals. The prime problem, they have set aside. Big, big scientists... That Professor Einstein and other, other, they are big, big scientists. They do not consider this question, that "I am a big scientist. So I am also going to die. So why it is?" That question, they have set aside. And they manufacture atom bomb to make dead very easy, not to stop death, but death-making very easily available. This is scientific. Hmm? Is that scientific?

Bahulasva: No.

Prabhupada: (chuckles) Everyone is dying, and they accelerate death. And that is taken as scientific.

Satsvarupa: They are also making research how to stop death.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Satsvarupa: They're making... But it's useless.

Prabhupada: So that is in our hands; that is not in their hands.

Devotees: Jaya, Prabhupada!

Revatinandana: Some time back I was reading an article on an airplane, one of those airline news magazines, about the science of gerontology, the science of putting off death or stopping death. They say, "Within twenty-thirty years we will have stopped it. We will even reverse the process of old age. We'll become younger." That was their claim.

Prabhupada: They can do it—that is credit. But what is this credit, that people are dying and you discover atom bomb to accelerate death very quickly? If they are thinking like that, then sanity is coming. At least, they are thinking like that, that "Why death should not be stopped?" That will be credit if they can do so, but at least this question, it comes. Then they become human being, not dogs. And so long this question does not come, they are cats and dogs. This is athato brahma jijñasa. This is the inquiry. Sanatana Gosvami when he approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu he first questioned this, ke ami, keno more jape tapa-traya: "I was minister. That's all right. But I do not know why I shall accept death. Therefore I have come to You." This is minister, intelligence, that "People praise me, I am minister, I am very learned scholar, but I do not know why I am under the tribulations of three-fold miseries, and what is my position." Ke ami, keno more jape tapa-traya: "Who I am? I don't want all these things, why they are troubling me?" Gramya-vyavahare panḍita, tai satya kori mani: "These fools and rascals, they call me, I am very learned scholar, and I also accept it, but I do not know why I am suffering." This is Sanatana Gosvami's question. So what they are doing? They are making research?

Revatinandana: Yes.

Prabhupada: Who are they? Very important men?

Revatinandana: Well, it just said... The magazine was not terribly detailed. It just said that many scientists involved in this are claiming that within twenty-thirty years they will reverse the aging processes. I think it is a bogus claim actually. They dream all kinds of things like that.

Satsvarupa: They say when a person is born, there is a kind of clock inside them that runs so long. If they can change that clock, then they'll make it stretch out.

Prabhupada: Another foolishness.

Bahulasva: Most of these big philosophers don't ever think of that question, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bahulasva: These big philosophers never think of that question.

Prabhupada: Because they have no answer.

Bahulasva: Yes.

Prabhupada: The difficult subject matter, they set aside.

Bahulasva: They avoid.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Revatinandana: But this gerontology is not a major subject in any of the universities yet.

Prabhupada: They know, "It is not possible by us." They know it.

Bahulasva: I was speaking with Professor Stahl about this point in Berkeley. And he also had no answers for this question. He thought that there was no such thing as eternal life.

Prabhupada: Well, then, therefore you are a rascal. Then why you are struggling to live? Why, when you are sick, why do you call doctor, physician? Why this tendency? Why you are making research in medical science, opening hospital? Die. Why you are not willing to die? Then what is the answer? He says, "There is no such thing as eternity," but why you are struggling for eternity? Then what is the answer? Hmm?

Bahulasva: Well, when we tell them your philosophy, Srila Prabhupada, he became silent. The one... We were having a debate, and the one chairman of the debate, he then he turned to Mr. Stahl. He said, "So what do you think of this answer, Mr. Philosopher?" And Mr. Stahl just sat there very quiet. He couldn't say anything.

Prabhupada: (chuckles) Everyone is trying to live. That is Darwin's theory also, "struggle for existence." So why you are trying to exist if there is no such thing?

Satsvarupa: Well, they say, "We don't mind if we're not eternal, but we want to live as long as possible."

Prabhupada: Why? That is my question. Why? Why this tendency?

Revatinandana: Some years back...

Prabhupada: That means it is unnatural. "I am eternal, but this death has been forced upon me. That is unnatural." That is intelligence.

Revatinandana: Some time back in the newspaper... This old president of America, Harry Truman, died, and it mentioned that he was eighty-eight years old and that in the last eight years he had been in and out of the hospital ten times for surgery. So in eight years he had been operated on ten times. At eighty-eight years old he was still trying to live, and finally he died.

Prabhupada: Just see, just see.

Revatinandana: So much misery; still, he would not die. He tolerated all these operations.

Bahulasva: This Professor Stahl, he was saying that his experience is that everything is changing and temporary. So therefore he was thinking that that is the nature of all things, that they are temporary.

Prabhupada: Temporary, this (indistinct). Why this "temporary" word has come into existence unless there is the opposite, "eternal"? Why do you use this word, "temporary"? When you say, "It is fraud," and there must be something as honesty. Otherwise, why this "fraud" has come? Hm? We say, "This is light"—means there is something as darkness. This is relative world. The Professor Einstein said relativity. This is relative: as soon as there is darkness, there must be light. Otherwise, how you understand light and darkness? So unless there is eternity, how do you bring this word, "temporary"? What is their answer?

Bahulasva: They have no answer.

Prabhupada: Unless there is father, there is no meaning of the word son. Unless there is husband, there is no meaning of the word wife. This is the relative world, and they are accepting this relativity. So how they can deny? As soon as you "temporary" say, you must accept there is eternity.

Bahulasva: We were telling him that although everything is changing, he was still existing.

Prabhupada: Yes. Now, existing, but why you are in change? That is the question. "I am existing," that we say, but we are trying to solve the problem of changing. But this changing is not very happy, to die and again accept another body and remain to, in the womb of the mother to develop that body in an airtight condition. So why these foolish persons do not take it as very miserable? And with the risk of being killed by the mother. Nowadays their abortion and killing. So is it very nice life, that you die and you enter into the mother's womb to develop another body? And that also not secure. Is that very nice life? [break] Write many articles on this subject matter and prove them that "You are all fools." [break] ...major problem, they have left aside.

Bahulasva: The main problem.

Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. And Krsna says, therefore, "These are your real problems: janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi duḥ;kha-dosanudarsanam [Bg. 13.9]. If you are intelligent, then you should keep always in your front these problems."

Bahulasva: They think that we're avoiding the real problems.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bahulasva: They think that we're avoiding the real problems because we're not doing business.

Prabhupada: We are not doing business? We are doing the best business. You are working hard day and night, and without working, we are living comfortably. They cannot dream of. [break] ...is their envy, that "These people, without doing anything they are living so comfortably. And we are working so hard day and night." [break] Yes, this is envious. [break] He is searching some fish? [break]

Jayatirtha: Clams.

Bahulasva: (break ) ...Srila Prabhupada, we have scheduled some meetings with many professors there, from this Graduate Theological Union and other places. Dr. Judah will be there and some of his associates.

Prabhupada: Dr. Judah, he wanted to see me earlier, no?

Bahulasva: Yes, he'll be coming here probably on Tuesday or Wednesday. He's just coming from Boston. They had a big library convention there for the theological schools in the United States. So he had to go to speak at that, and then he'll be coming back.

Prabhupada: Did he speak anything about Hare Krsna?

Bahulasva: He's always speaking about this Hare Krsna movement. (Prabhupada chuckles) He gave one lecture just about two weeks ago. It was very very nice. I attended, and I was also speaking something.

Prabhupada: No, he is serious about studying this movement.

Bahulasva: Yes.

Prabhupada: That is nice. Anyone who is serious, he will appreciate. [break]

Bahulasva: ...that any intelligent person who hears this philosophy and reads your books, he'll have to accept.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bahulasva: No one can even challenge. [break]

Prabhupada: They are giving standing orders. They understand this is worthly. [break] ...is up? No.

Jayatirtha: A little bit early still.

Prabhupada: Then we can go this way. [break] ...many rooms are there in the new house?

Bahulasva: Oh, there are many rooms. Two very, very large rooms, at least as big as the temple room in San Francisco, er, in Los Angeles, excuse me. Two rooms that big. Then there's about four rooms for living quarters, a big kitchen, and then several offices, and then a nice quarters for Your Divine Grace with a bath, with a shower right there.

Prabhupada: What it was before?

Bahulasva: It was a Mormon church.

Prabhupada: Ohh.

Bahulasva: Built very solid.

Jayatirtha: Made of bricks.

Prabhupada: So all the churches we are purchasing. (laughter)

Bahulasva: They are all going out of business.

Prabhupada: [break] ...worm and the sun. When the sun is arisen, the glowworms, automatically finished. [break] ...motto, "Krsna is sun." You know it? Krsna surya-sama. So when Krsna sun is there, all these glowworms' lightening will be finished. [break] ...this sun always shining. Then these glowworms will be finished. [break] ...that Sikh, Bhajan? What is that?

Tamala Krsna: Yogi Bhajan.

Prabhupada: Ah ha. He came to invite me.

Tamala Krsna: Really? In Hawaii?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayatirtha: He came to our temple a few nights ago also, for aratik.

Tamala Krsna: He has a big following.

Prabhupada: So he came to invite me. I indirectly refused.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. He has a very big following all over this country. But they have no books, no philosophy.

Bahulasva: Actually, they read our books, Srila Prabhupada. We were speaking at this one yoga center, and they say that they go to their swami to learn exercises, but for knowledge they must read the books by Your Divine Grace.

Prabhupada: Yes. Even he has recommended, Mahesh Yogi.

Tamala Krsna: Really? To that boy.

Prabhupada: Yes, you know? To his secretary. When he asked him that "I want real spiritual life," then he said, "Then go to Krsna consciousness."

Bahulasva: They have started a university also, and they are using your books at that university.

Prabhupada: That's nice. (laughs)

Bahulasva: Yeah, Maharishi, they are reading Bhagavad-gita.

Prabhupada: No, Maharishi has got respect for me. Even this, what is that? Cintamani?

Harikesa: Cinmayananda?

Prabhupada: No, no.

Tamala Krsna: Sri Cinmoya.

Bahulasva: From Bombay?

Prabhupada: No, no. He has also. He has also. He has given us a certificate: whatever I wrote, he has signed it. Everyone has respect.

Nalini-kantha: But they do not go together. Their practice and our practice, they do not mix.

Prabhupada: No, no. [break] ...our practice, then they are defeated. That they... [break] What they can do? But at heart they know what is their value. [break] ...and push on. You will come victorious everywhere. [break] ...surya-sama, maya andhakara yahan krsna, tahan nahi mayara adhikara. If you remain seriously in Krsna consciousness, then these people will have no, I mean to say, right to come before you. Adhikara. They will remain far away. [break] ...how to make my watch right time?

Jayatirtha: Oh. It's 6:32. We can change it.

Prabhupada: You have talked with Ramesvara that we are not any more going to send cash money.

Bahulasva: I will tell him.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...Jayatirtha, another good news, that African government is understanding the importance of this movement.

Jayatirtha: Ah. Brahmananda was telling me some things about Africa. [break] ...professor who is doing a study on Krsna consciousness now. He wants to come and see you. He comes over at least four or five times a week to the temple. He's becoming very serious. He's a psychologist, and he tells his patients that they should chant Hare Krsna. That will be the answer.

Prabhupada: He says? (laughs)

Jayatirtha: Oh, yes. He gives them cards and tells them to come and visit the temple. [break] ...publish some book about us. [break]

Prabhupada: They should come forward and cooperate. It is such a nice thing. Yad yad acarati sresṭhaḥ; [Bg. 3.21]. They are leading men. If they understand, the others will accept it. It is a good thing. They must accept it.

Brahmananda: In Kenya we went into one government officer asking for some land for a farm. He also said, "We want to give you land right in the middle of the village, so you can build your church there."

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Brahmananda: He offered that. He said, "All the other religions, they have their... We have certain plots for them, and there is a church for Catholic, a church for Protestant, a church for Bahai."

Prabhupada: No, no, take anywhere they give land. Yes. That will be recognition. We don't mind for the land, but the government has given land means recognized. That is wanted.

Brahmananda: Oh yes, yes. [break] One of the African devotees was explaining to the vice-president that verse, dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara [Bg. 2.13].

Prabhupada: Accha.

Brahmananda: And he was explaining it to him from Bhagavad-gita. And the vice-president he asked, "Who has given you this knowledge?"

Prabhupada: Just see. (laughs)

Brahmananda: He was so impressed. He accepted immediately, "Yes, you are right." [break]

Brahmananda: ...Canto that Prabhupada will read. [break](end)