Siddha-svarupa: ...not right, rioting. Chaos.

Prabhupada: And what they will create, chaos? They have no strength.

Siddha-svarupa: Well, they burn their mattresses and they...

Prabhupada: One slap is sufficient. [break] ...first-class man.

Upendra: That is if they have money, Prabhupada. The poor man he suffers more.

Prabhupada: Anardhena naya-rahitam.. This is stated in Bhagavatam: "If you have no money, then you won't get justice." You can purchase justice. This is Kali-yuga. Anardhena naya-rahitam. [break] What people mean by religion? [break] ...not serious. Nobody is serious about religion. So what do they think about religion?

Bali-mardana: They think it is a nice thing so that the people will work hard and not create any trouble. [break]

Upendra: ...Protestant work ethic. Protestant work ethics. The western culture has developed because of that work ethic based on, "You work hard and go to church." "Work hard and believe in God," this is the advancement, why western culture is..., is one theory why it's...

Prabhupada: Why shall I believe in God? What is the benefit? Work hard... Now, of course, I shall work hard; I will get money. That's all right. Why shall I believe in God?

Srutakirti: Because if you work hard and believe in God then He'll save you at death. By working hard, then you'll be saved.

Prabhupada: That's what the Communists say. They do not believe in God. So?

Harikesa: Believing in God makes it all worthwhile. It makes you feel better while you're working hard.

Prabhupada: Those who are atheists, they are also working hard. They are feeling nice by drinking. Why shall I believe in God? Let me drink.

Harikesa: Because they're being satisfied by sense gratification, but in...

Prabhupada: That's all right. Why shall I believe in God? Sense gratification is there. Why shall I believe in God?

Upendra: There has to be a certain amount of self-respect that the Christians give the people...

Prabhupada: Nobody respects. Nowadays, if somebody is religious, he is thought of as a fool. He's not...

Siddha-svarupa: Actually, because what you're saying is right, people are going away from religion. There is no use for it anymore.

Prabhupada: No religion. No, they do not know what is the meaning of religion. Therefore they create some religious system. They create: "Let me create something. After all, it is bluffing. So if I can..." Just like this, from India there are so many come. Here also there are many. They create some. It is... After all, it is bluffing. "So let me create something." Real business is to bluff and take money.

Bali-mardana: They like to make a show.

Prabhupada: That's all.

Bali-mardana: Even President Nixon he was having Bible meetings while he was cheating everyone. (Prabhupada chuckles.) [break]

Prabhupada: They think in, believe in God, and "There is no God; believe in God." Create some God and believe, that's all; finished. Therefore there are many, so many, religions.

Bali-mardana: Everyone has a tendency to worship something. If they don't worship Krsna, they will worship someone else. Like Mao or Lenin... [break]

Prabhupada: One fashion is meditation. This fashion is very prominent. What meditation, they do not know.

Bali-mardana: They think that it is simply a...

Prabhupada: Sit down... I have seen meditation. (makes snoring sound) I have seen. (people shouting in background) [break]

Siddha-svarupa: They are waving.

Srutakirti: They are cheering.

Prabhupada: [break] ...toothpicks, no? They are not so hard. Too soft. [break] ...an apartment. [break]

Manasvi: We got from one of the devotee who comes to the temple every day.

Srutakirti: One of the other valleys here. It's called... I forget the name. He brought a bunch of them back. [break]

Prabhupada: ...nice. Ask him to bring daily. [break] ...portion is being watered specifically?

Siddha-svarupa: I think they move them around.

Srutakirti: They have little things sticking up and they put these sprinklers on them.

Prabhupada: The pipe is everywhere.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes. [break]

Prabhupada: ...it is called horizontal? And this way vertical? Word is ota-prota. Ota means this horizontal, and prota means vertical.

Bali-mardana: In English this is vertical.

Prabhupada: This is vertical? This is horizontal. [break] (end)