Devotee (1): ...when you talk to them of going to the spiritual world they say they would believe if there was someone present that has come back to tell them of the spiritual world. But otherwise...

Prabhupada: How he will believe that someone has come? The first, next question will be, how you will believe. I will present a man.

Srutakirti: They don't believe.

Prabhupada: Then what is the use of bringing that man?

Srutakirti: We tell them that you have come, (Prabhupada laughs) but they'll not accept it.

Prabhupada: No, I have come and that I shall think over. First of all let me know how you will believe. Suppose if I say, "I have come from spiritual world," will he believe?

Srutakirti: That's what I'm saying. No, they don't.

Prabhupada: Therefore the method of his believing I must know. Then I present the man. What is the method of believing? Otherwise I can say, "I have come from spiritual world. You believe me." Will he believe it? Will he?

Devotee (1): Well, I would, but I do not think...

Prabhupada: No, no, you may, you are my disciple. You may believe. But will he believe?

Devotee (1): No, he will not believe, no.

Prabhupada: Then let me know first of all how he will believe. Then according to his belief, I shall bring man.

Srutakirti: By seeing some miracles, they will believe.

Devotee (1): Someone with three heads possibly, or...

Prabhupada: There is sometimes a child is born with three heads. Sometimes it is. (laughter)

Devotee (1): Yes.

Prabhupada: Therefore in Bhagavad-gita it is said, idam te na atapaskaya. Those who have no life of penance and austerities, don't talk with them. It will be a waste of time. You know that there is verse in the Bhagavad-gita? In Eighteenth Chapter. Idam te na atapaskaya, mam ca yaḥ; abhyasuyati: "Persons who are envious of Me and those who have not undergone austerity and penances, don't talk with them." But we take the risk. We go even to these rascals. Because for Krsna's sake, "Never mind, it will take some time. Let me try this rascal." Therefore the easiest process is that every rascal will agree to take nice food and dance. So induce them to come to us, dance, and take nice food. Let them come on this ground. And by hearing Hare Krsna, gradually they will be all right. This is the policy. So far argument, logic, philosophy is concerned, they are beyond... Because they are animal. They cannot understand.

Devotee (2): You have it's just like when someone has jaundice and he sees everything as yellow and you cannot convince him if something is white.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the...

Devotee (2): He must become purified.

Prabhupada: So therefore, the treatment is, some way or other, induce them to come and chant and dance with us and take prasadam. This program should be accelerated.

Srutakirti: Spiritual life starts with the tongue.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is... Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau [Brs. 1.2.234].

Devotee (3): Like, Srila Prabhupada, the solicitor there last night. When I first made contact with him, he took two days to think about it whether he would act for us or not. And now, through association, he's becoming more purified, stopped eating meat, stopped smoking cigarettes, and now he likes us very much.

Prabhupada: He is being purified himself?

Devotee (3):. Yes.

Prabhupada: So we have to take little patience. That is preaching work. Don't be impatient. Let us do our duty on behalf of Krsna. Even the result is not very appreciable, still we have to do it. This is preaching. Just like Nityananda Prabhu. He was hurt by Jagai-Madhai. Still, He determined, "No, these two boys must be delivered." This is the example. "Never mind, they have injured Me; still, I shall deliver them." And He did it. They became Vaisnava. So our preaching determination should be like that, not that we are failure in some cases, and therefore give it up. No. This is our business. We must go on doing this. Failure or success, it doesn't matter. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said to preach. He never said, "If you are failure, don't preach." Never said that. Yare dekha, tare kaha krsna-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "Whomever you meet, you just give him the instruction of Krsna." He never says that "If somebody does not hear you, don't do it." No. Krsna said that "Don't talk with the fools and rascals and those who are not undergone some penances."

Krsna said. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu is so kind. He said, "To everyone say."

Srutakirti: So we are following Lord Caitanya's...

Prabhupada: Yes. Just like I came to western country with no hope. I knew that my Godbrother, Bon Maharaja, came, he failed. Then Gosvami Maharaja was there, so many swamis and yogis came here, nobody could turn them. So I came here just with a purpose, "Let me try." But I was not hopeful at all. But Krsna's grace, it is now successful.

Devotee (1): A great success.

Prabhupada: And therefore let us try. And success, no success, depend on Krsna.

Devotee (1): Already I have noticed a difference with the new temple which has opened in Melbourne, with the group of adults that are coming around to become interested now because we have a permanent place here.

Prabhupada: On the whole, we have got very nice house. (Prabhupada gets out of car and is greeted by devotees) Thank you. (end)