Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, other Guests and Disciples
Mexico
12 Feb

Hanuman: I would like to ask you why we are so fortunate to have such a nice genuine spiritual master as you, and some others have bogus spiritual master. Is it something of karma or is this the pure mercy of yourself?

Prabhupada: No, that you can think—your spiritual master is nice, others bogus—but they do not think like that. (laughter) They will think their spiritual master is good, your spiritual master is bogus. But there is standard who is spiritual master. Spiritual master means who is the best servant of God. One who does not agree the existence of God, he is bogus because he's not bona fide, muá¸ha. One who does not accept the existence of God, he is muá¸ha. He's a rascal. He cannot... A rascal cannot become spiritual master.

Hanuman: How come we come to you?

Prabhupada: Well, that is another thing, but first of all we have to know who is spiritual master. The spiritual master is he, samit-paniḥ; srotriyam brahma-nisṭham [MU 1.2.12], one who is exclusively servant of God, he is spiritual master. Otherwise anyone will come and say, "I am spiritual master." Anyone will come say, "I am incarnation of God." So there is standard. That we have to find out.

Devotee (1): Most of the people are still ignoring God. They are so weak-willed. They are so weak-willed that they are easily swayed by, you know, when somebody comes and claims that...

Prabhupada: Well, if one is weak, he may be infected by some disease. It requires some resisting power. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that, your answer, that "Only the fortunate person, they can get the shelter of bona fide spiritual master." Kona bhagyavan jiva. Not all, kona. Kona means some.

Devotee (1):. Some, yes. Kona bhagyavan...

Prabhupada: Jiva. So as there are bhagavan—somebody is rich, somebody is poor; this is also due to fortune or misfortune—similarly, if one is spiritually fortunate he gets a bona fide spiritual master.

Guest (2): Do you have any opinions about some of the other Indian masters who have been...

Prabhupada: That I have already said, that unless one is bona fide servant of God, he cannot become master.

Guest (2): I mean specific people like Guru Maharaji.

Prabhupada: So Guru Maharaji says that he is God himself. Then he's a bogus. How he can be God? God is so cheap? So only the foolish person will accept him. Those who have no knowledge.

Guest (2): Maharshi Mahesh?

Prabhupada: I think he doesn't speak anything about God.

Guest (3): No. He's teaching the transcendental meditation.

Prabhupada: He speaks something of material prosperity. So He has nothing to do with God.

Devotee (1): It's just a kind of training of mind.

Prabhupada: That's it. Just like gymnastic. You exercise; you become bodily strong. That's all.

Guest (2): Sai Baba?

Prabhupada: Sai Baba, he also says, "I am Bhagavan." Therefore he's bogus. How you can say yourself that you are Bhagavan, God? What is your power? What you have shown? And this is cheap. Now, supposing Sai Baba is God. So people accept him God, why? Because he shows some jugglery. He creates little gold. Is it not? So if, by creating gold, he is God, then there is bigger God who has created gold mine. Why shall I go to this tiny god? I must go to the big God who has created gold mine. This is common sense. But foolish people, they have no common sense even. Therefore it is called muá¸ha. Muá¸ha nabhijanati mam ebhyaḥ; param avyayam. Tribhir gunamayair bhavair mohita, muá¸ha nabhijanati. Everything is there in the Bhagavad-gita. Just like mostly people take: "The nature is all in all." The scientist, they take nature. But nature is matter. So where is our experience—the matter is working automatically? Where is our experience? Hm? Matter... Does matter work automatically? What is your opinion?

Hanuman: It's a chain of reaction.

Prabhupada: Reaction. First of all there must be beginning of action, then reaction.

Hanuman: In the beginning there's Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is... I think Newton or some scientist also said that "Original motion is given by somebody; then other motions are given." Just like this, what is called? Railway wagons? So one engine pushes it. Then the wagon, another wagon, (makes sound) "cutcutcutcutcut," like that. Wherefrom the original? That is answered in the Bhagavad-gita,

aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattaḥ; sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitaḥ;
[Bg. 10.8]

The Vedanta... Janmady asya yataḥ; [SB 1.1.1]. The motion... Wherefrom the original motion comes? That is Brahman, Parabrahman. Aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2]. In the Bhagavata it is said, (sic:) aham as amagre. So they have no eyes to see wherefrom the original motion comes. Bijo 'ham sarva-bhutanam [Bg 7.10]. These are the statement. Bija. Now, this flower has come, white flower, from the particular seed. If there are several seeds you sow, the one seed will come rose flower, another seed will come this flower, another seed... Why? Why not the same? Who has made this variety?

Guest (4) (Indian man): Recently I was reading article in a science magazine and a space scientist, he has calculated that after 67,000 million years the universe contracts. And then I started calculating in terms of the yugas and the division which is mentioned. With the help of an astronomer I reached the conclusion that both figures coincide. So do you mean to say that when it was mentioned that after four yugas they will collide. Then it was a kind of vision, or might have been calculated by this...

Prabhupada: Means calculation. It is going on, regulated way. Just like everyone knows that this month is February. In the month of June the summer will begin. Everyone knows. It is not conclusion; it is experience. There is no need of calculating. So one who has got better experience, he can say like that. Calculation and experience. Just like if somebody says, "Two plus two plus two plus two," somebody says immediately, "Six." And another calculates, "Two plus two plus..., six." So experience and calculation. Lacks experience, he calculates. One who has better experience, he doesn't calculate. One who knows past, present, and future, he doesn't require to make calculation. He knows everything. So God knows past, present, and future, and others who are favored by God, he also knows by the grace of God. Because he hears from God. God knows past, present, and future. Then he simply reproduces God's words, that's all. He doesn't require to calculate. Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduḥ; [Bg. 8.17]. The Krsna says. Now, we can say what is the age of Brahma by Krsna's words. I don't require to be a very expert astrologer or astronomer. I hear from Krsna, and I reproduce. Just like child. Father said, "This is this;" I say, "This is this." That's all. The child is not perfect, but when he says, "Father said this is this," that is perfect. Therefore our process of gathering knowledge from the father—we don't calculate or don't concoct or put theories, no. We don't do that. This is called sruti, sruti-pramana, evidence from sruti.

Guest (4): Lord Krsna says in Gita that, to Arjuna, that when Surya is uttarayana, people who die, they'll go to Candraloka, and come back.

Prabhupada: Yes. So you quote that. Then it is perfect. You don't require to make research. Your research is no good because your senses are imperfect. I have no proper vision. If the light is stopped, I cannot see. This is the position of my eyes. So what is the use of my seeing? It is conditional. So one who is conditional, how he can give perfect knowledge? One who is not conditional, he can give perfect knowledge. Therefore we have to approach somebody who is not conditioned. Then we get perfect knowledge.

Guest (5): I have great difficulty with the meaning of the term "perfect knowledge." Could you...

Prabhupada: Perfect knowledge means what you say, it is correct. There is no mistake.

Guest (5): Under any and all circumstances.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is perfect knowledge, not like the scientists. They changes: "Yes, it was this. Now it is now changed." This is not perfect knowledge. They simply change. Therefore we say, muá¸has. Perfect knowledge is that what you say, that is correct forever. That is perfect. Just like man dies. If somebody says, "Man dies," it is perfect knowledge. It is correct forever.

Guest (5): Suppose he is reincarnated?

Prabhupada: No, no, "dies" means the body dies. The soul does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. When the body annihilates... Body becomes old. Just like this cloth. I am using it, but when it will be old, no more useful, then I throw it away. I get another dress. This body is like that. Soul is eternal. Na jayate na mriyate va kadacit. It does not die, it does not take birth, but because he is in material condition, therefore he has to change the material body because no material thing is permanent. Therefore the aim of life should be how to avoid this material body. That is real business. Jivasya tattva-jijñasa. That is called athato brahma jijñasa. This is only business, how to stop acceptance of this material body. And that is very clearly and simply stated in the Bhagavad-gita, janma karma me divyam yo janati tattvataḥ;, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. We can do that. That is Krsna consciousness movement, that you try to understand Krsna, then you are not going to accept any more material body. That means there is no more birth, no more death, no more disease, no more, and what is called, old age.

Guest (4): But is it possible to lead the life of a grhastha and at the same time think of that?

Prabhupada: Well, Arjuna was grhastha and a king and a politician. If he could learn within half an hour the aim of life, then where is the difficulty for a grhastha? Arjuna was not a sannyasi. So it was spoken to him only, and Krsna selected that "You are the right person." So there is no question of grhastha, sannyasi. The person must be right to understand.

Guest (4): Is it possible to develop some such kind of psyche?

Prabhupada: Yes, why not? Arjuna was not willing to fight. Then he developed; "Yes, I must fight for Krsna." That is development.

Guest (4): So there is no conflict between the...

Prabhupada: Grhastha is also asrama. It is as good as sannyasa asrama. You can accept any asrama suitable for you, but asrama means cultivation of spiritual knowledge. That is the difference between asrama and ordinary house. Now, this building is called temple, and the next building is called house. Why? The building is the same. But it is meant for cultivating spiritual knowledge. Therefore it is called temple, to understand God. The other house is meant for eating, sleeping, mating and defending. Therefore they are house. So you can change your house into temple provided you try to understand God. Then it is asrama. Otherwise it is house.

Guest (4): But is it possible to jump from brahmacari to directly sannyasa?

Prabhupada: It is not jumping. It is regular process.

Guest (4): One should go through all the...

Prabhupada: Yes. Just like student. Then he becomes a family man when he's grown up. Then he becomes again a sannyasi. So it is a process. It is not jumping. One after another.

Guest (4): Yes, but would you allow one of the devotees to, if he wants to, observe celibacy and then...

Prabhupada: Yes, that is brahmacari.

Guest (4): And after that...

Prabhupada: After that, he should continue the life of celibacy. But if he is unable, then he's allowed to marry.

Guest (4): Because (Sanskrit). You cannot suppress your karma.

Prabhupada: There is no question of supressing. Regulating.

Guest (5): Do the same rules apply to women as to men?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that in the society women, working class, and the mercantile class, they are, according to Vedic scripture, they are less intelligent, women, working class and mercantile men. Just like mercant..., they are after money, that's all. And sudra, they want, after job. And women means they are after fulfilling their material desires. They have no other idea, that there is Brahman, one should know Brahman... They do not care to know. Therefore they are called sudras, stri, sudra, vaisya. Yes. Vaisya. So Krsna says,

mam hi partha vyapasritya
ye 'pi syuḥ; papa-yonayaḥ;
striyo vaisyas tatha sudras
te 'pi yanti param gatim
[Bg. 9.32]

So it is not blocked for anyone. Anyone can get Krsna consciousness. Anyone can go back to home, back to Godhead, provided you follow the regulative principle. Then it is possible for everyone. It doesn't matter whether he's woman, whether he's working class, whether he's a sudra or a brahmana. It doesn't matter. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that "Even they can go. And what to speak of the brahmanas?" Kim punar brahmanaḥ; punya bhakta rajarsayaḥ;... [Bg. 9.33]. If the brahmanas, they cultivate spiritual knowledge, it becomes very easy for them. Even they can go, sudras, stri, vaisya. These are all the statement.

Guest (5): Can a woman become sannyasi?

Prabhupada: Why sannyasi? Krsna says, mam hi partha vyapasritya [Bg. 9.32]. He does not say to become sannyasi. He said, "One who takes shelter of Me very firmly..." We have to take shelter of Krsna. You become sannyasi or not sannyasi—it doesn't matter. That is Krsna consciousness. Krsna says, mam ekam saranam vraja. He never says that "You become sannyasi." He never said. The qualification is how to become firmly fixed up at the lotus feet of Krsna. That is qualification. But sannyasi is a process. Brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha—that is a process. But one who takes directly shelter of Krsna is above all these processes.

mam ca yo 'vyabhicarena
bhakti-yogena sevate
sa gunan samatityaitan
brahma-bhuyaya kalpate
[Bg. 14.26]

Those who are pure devotees—avyabhicareni, anyabhilasita-sunyam jñana-karmady-anavrtam [Brs. 1.1.11]—such persons are above this material infection. So therefore he doesn't require to accept sannyasa or brahmacari. He doesn't... These are gradual processes, to come to the varnasrama system, then accept the varna and asramas, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra, brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha. This is called varnasrama system. But this is the beginning of human life. One who does not take to this system, he's animal because animal, there is no such system. And because in this age the varnasrama is not observed, therefore men are like animals. Dharmena hina pasubhiḥ; samanaḥ;. Dharma means this varnasrama-dharma. Catur-varnyam maya srsṭam guna-karma-vibhagasaḥ; [Bg. 4.13]. So if the human society does not accept dharma, then he's as good as animal.

Guest (4): That which Srila Gandhi was working against?

Prabhupada: If I say the truth you'll be angry. (chuckling)

Guest (4): No, no one will be angry, but you have mentioned...

Prabhupada: Gandhi was a politician. What does he know about dharma? He was a politician. He thought it wise that British government is very strong... Before him so many political parties tried to become violent, and they were all curbed down. This Aurobindo also was a leader of anarchist party, and when he was condemned to death, then his senses came: "This is all useless. Let me engage in performing yoga." So Gandhi thought that before him all these violent movement was cast down by the British. So he took it as a method, nonviolence, noncooperation, and to capture the public of India-India is generally inclined religiously—he became a mahatma. But mahatma is different. A mahatma is not interested in politics. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim-prakrtim asritaḥ;, bhajanty ananya-manaso [Bg. 9.13]. That is mahatma. Mahatma has nothing to do with politics.

Guest (5): The term mahatma was first used to describe Gandhi by Annie Besant.

Prabhupada: Yes, one can use any term without any sense.

Guest (4): No, I think it was by Rabindranath.

Prabhupada: They... Anyone can. Rabindra Babu was also like that. (laughter) He was a babu, but he became guru. This is going on.

Guest (4): That means that about this varna-sankara etc—Lord Krsna mentions in Gita—that this present day society is varna-sankara.

Prabhupada: Varna-sankara. There is no varnasrama; therefore all the children, they are varna-sankara. And as soon as there is varna-sankara population, the world becomes hell. Therefore we are trying to check—"No illicit sex"—to stop this varna-sankara. Now the varna-sankara has come to such an extent that they are killing child, and that is legal. They have come down to such a extreme position.

Guest (4): But surely there is a practical point of view also. There is nothing to eat. What will happen?

Prabhupada: Who says nothing to eat? That is also their manufacture.

Guest (4): I mean the figures which are published that half of humanity will starve.

Prabhupada: It's... Especially, we are Indian. It is advertised that we are poverty-stricken. All over the world this is advertised. Wherever I go, they say, "Oh, you are coming from India?" (laughter) Because they are simply begging, the government. But who is dying? There is... Dying is going on, but that death is going on in other countries also. They are dying, committing suicide. And maybe some persons are dying out of starvation. You cannot stop death. Suppose you have got enough food. That means that everything is solved? In America there is enough food. Why they are coming hippies? There is no shortage of food. Nothing... Everything is abundant, but why they are becoming hippies? They are lying down on the street, on the park and I have seen in London, the St. James Park. They are sleeping, and the police is kicking: "Hey! Get up! Get up!" So why? The English nation is not poor nation. The American nation is not poor nation.

Guest (4): Poverty is also a comparative term.

Prabhupada: No, I saw in Amsterdam—simply full of hippies, lying down on the street, lying down in the park, no food, no shelter. It is going on.

Guest (2): The hippies are not lying in the park because they lack food.

Prabhupada: They must be wanting something. They are in need of something.

Guest (2): But not necessarily food.

Prabhupada: One body is in need of food; another body is in need of something else. They're needy, everyone, needy. That you have to accept. I have seen in Los Angeles. I was walking in the Beverly Hills quarter. One hippie boy is coming from a very nice house. Beverly Hills, that quarter, is resided by all rich class. And he has got very nice car, but he's hippie. Why? His father is very rich man. He has got nice car. He might be very educated. Then why he is hippie? What is the answer?

Hanuman: He's frustrated.

Prabhupada: That means in need. So that is the question, that you may be in need of food, I may be in need of some woman, he may be in need of some money... In this way everyone is needy. Therefore ultimately one should search after God, when every need will be fulfilled. Just like Dhruva Maharaja, he went... He was in need of an empire like his father. For that reason he went to the forest and performed all kinds of austerities, and when he saw God he said, svamin krtharto 'smi varam na yace: "I have no more need. Everything is fulfilled. I don't want anything." He... God said, "Now whatever benediction you want, you take from Me." He said, "No, I don't want anything. Now everything is fulfilled." So that is the real need. The child is crying, and he is not stopping crying. So many others coming. But as soon as his mother comes, he will stop. He understands immediately, "Now I have got the thing, my mother." So the real need is Krsna. That is missing. Therefore this Krsna consciousness movement. All these Western students, they were in need. Now they have got Krsna. This young man, twenty-four years old, he has got all the desires for enjoyment, but he's no more after enjoyment. He's a sannyasi. He's chanting Hare Krsna. Why? [break] ...playing jugglery? He becomes God. So even the so-called yogis, they are in need. The so-called jñanis, they are in need. The so-called karmis, they are also in need. Only the bhakta... That Dhruva Maharaja, he said, "No, I am not in need." Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace [Cc. Madhya 22.42]. So therefore this is the only platform to bring man to feel completely fulfilled. So it is very important movement. So I request you all to study this movement and help and join this movement. It is very scientific, authentic, and real. Therefore Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam [Bg. 18.66]. If you want to be happy, you have to take Krsna. Then you'll be happy. Otherwise not.

Guest (4): So dharma there means to the religious faith or duty?

Prabhupada: No, dharma is duty, varnasrama-dharma. That is also given up. That means the only duty becomes to Krsna consciousness. He said, sarva-dharman parityajya. In the beginning He said that dharma-samsthapanarthaya. Yes. Yuge yuge sambhavami. Now, He said that "I appear to reestablish the principle of religion." So at the last stage He said, sarva-dharman parityajya. That means the so-called dharmas, or religion, which is going on in the world, they are not real. And the Bhagavata therefore says, dharmaḥ; projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2], that "All kinds of pretending religion is rejected here." Pretending religion, what is that? Pretending... Just like gold. Gold is gold. If the gold is in the hand of some Hindu, then will it be called Hindu gold? Similarly, religion means obedience to God. So where is Hindu religion? Where is Christian religion? Where is Muslim religion? God is everywhere, and we are just meant for obeying God. That is one religion, obedience to God. Why they have manufactured this Hindu religion, Muslim religion, Christian religion, this religion, that...? Therefore they are all pretending religion. Real religion is obedient... Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Just like law. Law is made by the state. The law cannot be Hindu law, Muslim law, Christian law, this law, that law. Law is meant for everyone. Obedience to the state. That is law. Similarly, religion means obedience to God. Then one who has no conception of God, no idea of God, where is religion? That is pretending religion. Therefore in the Bhagavata you'll find, dharmaḥ; projjhita-kaitavo 'tra: [SB 1.1.2] "All pretending type of religion is rejected." And Krsna also said the same thing, sarva-dharman parityajya: [Bg. 18.66] "You give up all this pretending religion. You simply surrender unto Me. That is real religion." What is the use of speculating on pretending religion. That is not religion at all. Just like pretending law. Law cannot be pretending. Law is law, given by the state. Similarly, religion means the order given by God. That is religion. If you follow, then you are religious. If you don't follow, then you are demon. Make things very simplified. Then it will be appealing to everyone. So this Krsna consciousness movement is meant for making things very simplified. Accept God, accept your position as God's servant and serve God. That's all, three words. You have no question? These boys?

Hanuman: They don't speak English.

Prabhupada: Oh. Oh, you don't understand English.

Hrdayananda: (Spanish)

Hanuman: They're just amazed looking at you.

Guest (6): (Spanish)

Hrdayananda: They said they are simply here feeling your presence, and they realize that you're very busy, and so they are simply feeling love for you.

Prabhupada: Thank you very much.

Guest (6): (Spanish)

Hrdayananda: They said they have to go now.

Prabhupada: All right. Give them prasada. Everyone should be supplied with.

Guest (2): What do you see as the future of your movement and are you planning to...

Prabhupada: My movement is genuine.

Guest (2): ...to choose a successor.

Prabhupada: It is already successful. Genuine thing is always success. Gold is gold. If somebody is fortunate, he can purchase gold, but gold remains gold. If somebody purchases and somebody does not, it doesn't matter. Gold is gold. So future, gold future is always the same as it is at present—if it is gold. If it is something glittering, that is another thing.

Guest (4): But there must be somebody, you know, needed to handle the thing.

Prabhupada: Yes, that we are creating. We are creating these devotees who will handle.

Hanuman: One thing he's saying, this gentleman, and I would like to know, is your successor named or your successor will...

Prabhupada: My success is always there. Yes. Just like the sun is there always. It may come before your vision or not. The sun is there. But if you are fortunate, you come before the sun. Otherwise you remain in darkness. Sun is open to everyone. Our Krsna consciousness movement—Krsna is open to everyone. But if you are fortunate, you come to the light. If you are unfortunate, do not. That is your choice. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. You do it. Now it is your choice. You surrender to Krsna or don't surrender. That is your business. We are canvassing everyone, "Take to Krsna consciousness and you'll be happy." Now it is their business to take it or not to take it. But he can come. He can ask question and then "How? Why shall I take it?" That we are ready, to convince him. That is preaching.

Hanuman: When you have come to United States, you had nothing...

Prabhupada: I came to give you. Some of you have taken, and some have not taken, so what can I do? I came to give you Krsna consciousness. That is my duty. My Guru Maharaja ordered and I came. And... But some of you, you have taken, and most of, they have not taken. So that is another thing. But I came to deliver you the genuine thing. That's all.

Hanuman: The way you have come is that you have come as though you've not come from a religion or nothing. You've come and everybody fall in love with you, you preach, and, Prabhupada, we cannot deny you are the authority because you know everything, and your...

Prabhupada: Any way you take it, then you become happy. That's all. Of course, when you take it out of love... That is a fact. So without love, this transaction, because there is no price for it... All other transaction, there is exchange of price. Here there is no price, so out of love only, one can take it, not by paying any price. It is not possible. To pay the price of Krsna consciousness is not possible. Yes.

Hanuman: You cannot force anybody to say, "I am the guru. I'm the (indistinct). Fall in love with me."

Prabhupada: Why shall I force? What is my... That is not my business. I am Krsna's servant. I simply say, "Here is good thing. You take it." Now, Krsna also says that. He does not force. Krsna is God. He can force, but He does not do that.

Guest (6): Good night now.(?)

Prabhupada: Bring prasada for them.

Hrdayananda: Prasada?

Guest (4): How long you'll stay?

Prabhupada: Here?

Hrdayananda: About three more days.

Prabhupada: Three more days. That is in his hand. First of all give here. (prasada being distributed) [break]

Guest (2): Gita, Krsna, Caritamrta, and Bhagavatam. You have other texts?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (2): What do you recommend?

Prabhupada: Yes. Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. We have translated it-Nectar of Devotion. This in...

Guest (2): This is in Sanskrit or...

Prabhupada: No, English.

Guest (2): Bengali? No, but original.

Prabhupada: Original Sanskrit.

Guest (4): Apart from (indistinct) quality of Lord Rama, are there a few other things which could be included while you are worshiping or devoting or meditating on...?

Prabhupada: God has all the qualities that you can conceive. It is generally not... Bhaga(?), it is taken as six, six opulences. Bhaga means opulence, and van means possessing. Bhagavat. Bhagavat-sabda. Bhaga means opulence, and vat means one who possesses. And the first word in bhagavat-sabda is bhagavan. This bhaga means six kinds of opulences: riches, then fame, then bodily strength, influence, knowledge, beauty, and renunciation. These are opulences. If one is very rich, people are attracted. If one is very reputed, people are attracted. If one is very strong, people are attracted. Influential-attracted. If one is very beautiful, man or woman, he is also attractive. If one is very wise, he's attractive. And one who is renounced, he's also attra... So Krsna has got all these qualification in full. That is the definition of God. Anyone who possesses all these qualities in fullness, not partially, that is God. This is the definition of God. Not that "I can produce one ounce of gold," but if he can produce all the mines of gold, he is God. Not cheap God. In that way everyone is God. (end)