Aksayananda: ...from Agra came yesterday, Prabhupada. He wants to live with us. He knows Hindi. He's a teacher. He's a doctor. He's a writer. He's very, very nice. I'll bring him to you today.

Prabhupada: He knows English also?

Aksayananda: English very well. Very humble and he wants to teach. If he can stay in Vrndavana I think it will be very, very beneficial for us.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Aksayananda: Wonderful. I'll bring him this morning if it's all right.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Aksayananda: Jaya. He bows down. He pays dandavats. He said, "You're a sannyasi, so I must respect. I'm only a grhastha."

Prabhupada: Yes, that is the duty.

Aksayananda: And he is also very intelligent. He's not just doing it out of sentiment. Very nice man. Older man.

Prabhupada: If a sannyasi is not offered respect, the punishment is that he should fast one day. That is sastric injunction.

Gunarnava: What is the punishment if one doesn't fast?

Prabhupada: You must go to hell. (laughter) [break]

Aksayananda: ...also come two or three times before over the months, so I know he is serious.

Prabhupada: Let him come.

Aksayananda: Yes, he's very nice.

Prabhupada: What is his age?

Aksayananda: I think he's about... He's getting on. He's fifty, sixty.

Prabhupada: That is all right. Then he should retire.

Aksayananda: Yes. His wife has, I think, expired, so he has no problem there. And he looked in our asrama, and he likes it inside there. He's prepared to live with brahmacaris and so on. Very good man. His name is Mr. Ugrasena. [break] ...much colder today.

Prabhupada: Yes, and it will increase. Yes. In December January it will be very cold.

Aksayananda: Yes. It'll be almost twice as cold. [break]

Prabhupada: ...middle of January, there will be cloud, rain. You have no experience, last winter, anyone? Huh?

Aksayananda: Yes, I have. Still, if we're sincere we'll stay in Vrndavana even if blood and stool comes from the sky, if you want.

Prabhupada: Why do you expect that? [break] ...capati, you apply little ghee?

Aksayananda: For the guests.

Prabhupada: And not for you?

Aksayananda: No.

Prabhupada: Why?

Aksayananda: Because it's very expensive and not necessary.

Prabhupada: No.

Aksayananda: If you say it is necessary, we will do.

Prabhupada: No, in this season it is necessary.

Aksayananda: Very nice. We'll do. That is nice. A little more ghee should be there.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Aksayananda: A little more grain. Even little grain at night is all right, I think.

Prabhupada: No, you must eat properly.

Aksayananda: Yes. Then we'll do it.

Prabhupada: And try to keep some cows.

Aksayananda: Accha.

Prabhupada: Yes. On the other land. Make a shed immediately and keep some cows. And Visvambhara, he is experienced. He will help. [break] ...necessary vairagya, there is no need. We don't approve that. Yuktahara-viharas ca. What you require for keeping health but not to eat too much. But what is absolutely required must be done.

Aksayananda: I heard that if you pass stool more than once a day you become a bhogi? You are called a bhogi?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Aksayananda: Does that mean a serious devotee should only pass stool once a day?

Prabhupada: Don't artificially do that. (laughter) First of all become yogi. Then do it.

Aksayananda: Yes. Of course, it can only be done by Krsna's mercy, but one should at least try for that.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Jaya. Don't try for passing stool once. (laughter) That does not make you a yogi.

Bhavananda: Yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantaratmana [Bg. 6.47].

Prabhupada: Antara... Yes. That makes you yogi, not by passing stool. (laughter) Hare Krsna. [break] Huh?

Harikesa: That will be it? The scientist and the egg?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Harikesa: Okay.

Prabhupada: You know that? What is that article?

Aksayananda: The one you heard last night?

Prabhupada: No. When I was in South America I saw that...

Harikesa: South Africa.

Prabhupada: South Africa. There are many factories for chicken killing. So I suggested that the egg, you can analyze, find out the chemicals and...

Aksayananda: Create one.

Prabhupada: Create one egg. That was my proposal. So he is going to create. (laughter) He'll explain how to create egg from...

Aksayananda: From chemicals.

Jnana: And make chicken.

Harikesa: Calcium phosphate and a little sulphur for the yellow, make some color, and cover it in plastic and put it in an incubator and let a chicken grow.

Prabhupada: And you eat.

Aksayananda: That will be a nice article.

Harikesa: And if they can, they can beat us on the face with shoes, and if they can't, we can beat them on the face with shoes.

Aksayananda: Well, that's another thing. [break]

Prabhupada: ...ly regret is that these rascals are going as scientists and big men. Simply talk. They cannot create. It is very simple thing. Put some chemicals together and if you know the chemicals, then why don't you put it? And incubator put, then you don't require to kill so many chicken. [break]

Alanath: In Sweden when you go on the street and you preach, "Everybody must suffer here," they don't believe because everybody got an apartment. They have never seen a poor man or a starving cow.

Prahupada: But he is himself a poor man.

Alanath: In Sweden...

Prabhupada: But he has no knowledge to understand it. Why he is falling down from the skyscraper and killing himself? Why? A poor man commits suicide. So if he is committing suicide he is a poor man. He is a poor man. He falsely thinking that he is rich man.

Alanath: We're printing now a book there with all the talks according to the scientists and according to the Christian philosophy what was lately in the Back to Godheads in America.

Prabhupada: Don't write anything nonsense. It must be very solid. Otherwise, you'll be laughing stock. What you'll say, it must...

Alanath: No, just the talks you make. Just your conversations.

Aksayananda: Your lectures only.

Prabhupada: Oh. That's all right. One must be confident before challenging others. Not that theoretical. Challenge is no good. In all stages he must be able to defend himself from the opposing elements. Then such challenge is all right. [break] We are confident that this soul cannot be manufactured by any material combination. Therefore we can challenge. And I can defend ourself in any stage. [break] Cana, cana?

Aksayananda: Channa?

Prabhupada: Not cchana but cana. Canaka dahl?

Aksayananda: Oh, cana dahl, yes.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Cana dahl is good nowadays.

Aksayananda: Chick pea dahl for winter.

Prabhupada: Mixed with little uraḍ dahl, then it will be very palatable and very beneficial.

Aksayananda: For at lunchtime?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Aksayananda: Yes. Very good. [break] ...dahl will give you as much energy as eggs will any time.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Aksayananda: Practically the same thing.

Prabhupada: It contains protein.

Harikesa: Actually it's a wonderful challenge. This big, big scientist, big, big brain...

Prabhupada: Big, big monkey. (laughter) "Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping, melancholy."

Harikesa: And we walk in and put an egg in front of him.

Prabhupada: You do not know this? Baro baro bandolel, baro baro peṭ lanka dingate, matakare het.(?) (laughter) This translation was done by one big professor, of President's College, Professor Rowe. He was a big professor in the President's College. So these professors required to learn Bengali, so he translated, "Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping melancholy." [break]

Alanath: There's some countries in Europe where they have absolute laws against selling books in the street. In these countries do we have to make something secret to sell your books?

Prabhupada: Secret? Why?

Alanath: Because otherwise they would immediately put you in prison.

Prabhupada: Where? Here in India?

Alanath: No. In Europe, like in Switzerland. But when we go there for selling books people take them like anything, but you have to hide before the police very carefully.

Prabhupada: Why? Why don't you take permission from the court?

Alanath: No. It's not possible.

Aksayananda: Have you applied?

Alanath: They have very strict laws. It's also been applied for.

Prabhupada: No, you have to prove: "This is very important book of knowledge, so allow us a special."

Alanath: It's especially different if foreigners try to sell a book there. And we have... Like in Austria we have no Austrian devotees there.

Aksayananda: They think it's an invasion.

Alanath: Yes. We used to go there sometimes, and it was very good. People took many many books, but sometimes they caught us, so...

Prabhupada: No, if they caught, go to the jail and when there is trial you should explain that "This is very important book. The government should allow to sell."

Alanath: If the policemen liked us, but the law is strict.

Prabhupada: Therefore you have to take defense from the law. You present in the court the professors' opinion, how they are giving standing order. Why the state should restrain distributing knowledge? Do they want to keep their men in darkness? You have to preach like that. [break]...University is the most important university in Europe. They read our books. They order standing order. So why this loafer state prohibit?

Alanath: ...these explanations, they always argue, "If we allow you to sell your books, then we must allow everybody to sell on the street."

Prabhupada: No. But you must consider the importance of... [break] Everybody submits application for becoming high-court judge. Will it be granted? There must be discrimination. [break] Thank you very much for your kindness. Yes. I am very pleased. Thank you. (end)