Prabhupada: Yaḥ; sastra-vidhim utsrjya.

Devotee: Yaḥ; tasya...

Prabhupada: Yes. Y-a-... Yaḥ; sastra.

Devotee: I've got y-... (pause) I don't think...

Prabhupada: There is no yaḥ;?

Devotee: There's ya nisa sarva-bhutanam.

Prabhupada: That is ya, ya. That is y-a, ya nisa, y-a. Y-a-ḥ;,

yaḥ;.

Devotee: Y-a-ḥ;, yaḥ;.

Prabhupada: Then sastra.

Devotee: Yaḥ; sastra vidhim...

Prabhupada: Ha!

Devotee: Sixteen, verse 23.

Prabhupada: Utsrjya, vidhim utsrjya, yes. Find out that.

Devotee: Chapter Sixteen, verse twenty-three. Yaḥ; sastra vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karataḥ;, na sa siddhim avapnoti na sukham na param gatim [Bg. 16.23].

Prabhupada: Translation. Translation, read.

Devotee: "He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims, attains neither perfection nor happiness nor the supreme destination."

Prabhupada: That's it. (Hindi) ...bogus, bogus. This is statement of Krsna. Can you give us the statement of Krsna? I'll accept some foolish statement. So Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He's also giving reference to the sastra, yaḥ; sastra. He can say anything, everything, He's God Himself, still He gives reference to the sastra. So anyone who's speaking against the injunction of the sastra, (indistinct). There is another verse, find out, tasmad sastra pramanam te, tasmad, (indistinct).

Devotee: Tasmad.

Prabhupada: Sastra. (pause) Tasmad sastra...

Devotee: I see, tasmad sarvesu kalesu. (indistinct)

Prabhupada: In the same Sixteenth Chapter, you will find, this verse, tasmad. (indistinct)

Devotee: It says t-a-s-m-a-c, tasmac...

Prabhupada: It is really tasmad, it has become c, and by sandhi. Tasmac-chastra.

Devotee: Word-by-word it is tasmad.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee: But together (indistinct).

Prabhupada: (indistinct) ...the real word is tasmad. (indistinct) translation?

Devotee: "Translation: One should understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations one should act so that he may gradually be elevated."

Prabhupada: They have manufactured different types of religions (indistinct). All these Radhaswami, (indistinct), Jains, Sikhs, they have manufactured... (indistinct) And our Vedic regulations (indistinct) Just like such a great personality as Buddha, simply he said that I do not follow the Vedic principles. (indistinct) That Buddhism could not flourish, although Buddhism began from India. (indistinct) He started this Buddha but because he did... Simply he said that I do not accept your Vedas, immediately... Such a great personality (indistinct) So anyone who does not follow the sastra, the essence of sastra is (indistinct) So anyone who studies Bhagavad-gita minutely, (indistinct). These European, American boys, because they're strictly following the instruction of Bhagavad-gita, (indistinct). Only thing is they're following (indistinct) sastra. (indistinct) ...waste of time, srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. That is stated in the Bhagavata. Simply wasting time. (indistinct) Prayer has failed all over the world because they are neglecting the (indistinct). Nobody goes to church. Churches, churches are now being sold. In London, have you been in London? There are hundreds and thousands of churches, they're simply (indistinct), nobody goes there. Not only in England, in America also. In America still, they are going on, because there are (indistinct) churches, but in England I will say, it is (indistinct). Very, very nice, you have been to (indistinct)? (indistinct) ...so excellent church, there is one flaw, very big church, well constructed. Now the church authority, desiring that the somebody, he's imagining (indistinct), he's imagining that this is such a nice church so our... Government has sent somebody to take this church, he's thinking Americans may take... No, why Americans will be interested to take the church, as it is... But he's thinking... That means he wants to dismantle the church. But church now will not allow. He's finding out some customer who will take the church (indistinct). So their headquarter land is very valuable. So if the land is vacated, then you may have a little church and other land he can utilize for himself. That is his proposition. And so far purchasing the church, there may be, but others will purchase the church for dismantling and making a nice skyscraper building. They do not want actually. Church now will not allow. We say that we shall not dismantle the church, we shall utilize it as temple. We says... Crazy idea (indistinct). But my point is that church is so excellent, huge amount of money has been spent, and nobody...? (pause) (Hindi) So I chastised them, fools and rascals in meeting, but they did not protest. They accepted my chastisement.

Devotee: Oh, you mean yesterday. Oh, that.

Prabhupada: Not yesterday. Today also.

Devotee: Tonight. (pause)

Prabhupada: (indistinct)

Devotee: I had... No one spoke to me.

Prabhupada: But they offer respect.

Devotee: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: We are not (indistinct), otherwise would not have...

Devotee: Yes. They must have accepted.

Prabhupada: (Hindi) (end)