Prabhupada: When the cause is there, they throw it, everything, and go away. Similarly, this material world, the activities of the material world is like that. Somewhere digging and somewhere piling. Somebody is independent and somebody is dependent. Somebody is very luxurious, somebody's starving. So there cannot be any adjustment. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita the Lord says, duḥ;khalayam asasvatam [Bg. 8.15]. We are digging somewhere and piling somewhere; so digging is also labor, and piling is also labor. Then, after finishing, we have to quit everything, digging and piling. So why people do not come to their senses that "What we are doing? Are we utilizing our time properly or wasting our time?" What should be the answer? If I asked these karmis, "Why you are digging? Why you are piling? And why you are leaving?" Then what will be the answer? (pause) Can you say what will be the answer?

Guest (1) (Indian man): When digging the pile?

Prabhupada: You are digging somewhere, and again make constructing somewhere, and then, after a time, you are leaving both and going away, shifting for another activity. Because you'll not be allowed to stay...

Guest (1): The same place.

Prabhupada: ...same place. By nature's law you'll have to quit.

Guest (1): Quit.

Prabhupada: Just like... What to speak of ordinary man. President Kennedy. Oh, how much labor he had to undergo to occupy that post, how much money he spent to become president. But he had to quit his family, his wife, his state, his post. So this is going on. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. For sometimes we are engaged in this way; then again we are annihilated. Again begin another life, enter into another mother's womb, construct another body, then come out, then again begin work, again the same thing, digging and piling, digging and piling, again going away. Is that very good business? This is the karmis. Karmis means worker, fruitive worker. They want some result for their work. They are called karmis. So the karmis are engaged in this way. (Doorbell rings) In Bhagavad-gita these karmis have been described as rascals, muḍha. Muḍha. Because they do not know why they are digging, why they are piling and why they are leaving again everything. You can sit here, in the corner. I, I... Ask these boys, yes. This is the problem. The whole world is engaged very busy. Any city you go, they're very busy. The motor car is going this way, that way, and everywhere is constructing and so many things are going on. But if you put this question, "Why you are doing this business, digging somewhere and piling somewhere, again leaving the whole thing?"... (Aside:) Hare Krsna. They have no answer.

Guest (1): They might say it's a rotation. They just have to do it.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Guest (1): Do some work.

Prabhupada: But do you like to do that? Suppose you are making very nice arrangement in this apartment to live. And again, after, say, one hour you are asked, "Now quit this place." So are you not disgusted?

Guest (1): Yes, I am interested.

Prabhupada: So why this point is not coming? This is ignorance. Just like animals, they do not know why they are laboring so hard. Just an ass. An ass is piled with cloth, you know? In your India. But whose cloth, why he's so much bearing burden? For a little grass only? That he does not know. Therefore he's called ass. Ass is working so hard, but he's not, he does not know if the cloth does not belong to him, but he's piled up with... (Aside:) Hare Krsna. ...tons of cloth and he's bearing. He's bearing. Therefore they have been... These karmis who do not know for whom he's working, they have been described in the Bhagavad-gita, muḍha. Muḍha means ass. Na mam prapadyante muḍhaḥ; duskrtino naradhamaḥ;, mayayapahrta-jñana asuram bhavam asritaḥ; [Bg. 7.15]. These things are there; in the Bhagavad-gita you'll find. Wherefore you are coming?

Gurudasa: Bury Place.

Prabhupada: So now people do not wish to consider also this point, that "If I am eternal, if I am changing my place, my dress, my occupation every fifty years or ten years or twelve years according to the dress..." The cats and dogs, they live for ten years. The cows live for twenty years, and the man lives for, say, hundred years. Trees lives for thousands years. But everyone has to change. Vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya [Bg. 2.22]. As we have to change our old dress, similarly, this body has to be changed. And we are changing. Changing every moment. That is a fact. This boy will grow also some day like you, like me. This body will not stay. I had a body like this, say, fifty years ago or sixty years ago, but that body is now missing. I have got a different body. So everyone is changing body in this way. We do not know where that body gone, but ultimately also, we shall change, and we shall enter another body, and again we have to begin new set of work, leaving all aside. Suppose this life I was President Kennedy; next life, even if I am born in America next door to President Kennedy's house, nobody will recognize me that "Here is your property. Come on. Enjoy." No. Property's gone. Again he has to make another property. This is going on. So the people do not think that "What I am doing? What I have gained? What is my ultimate aim of life?" This is missing. Therefore Bhagavad-gita says, muḍha. Na mam prapadyante muḍha duskrtino naradhamaḥ;, mayayapahrta-jñana asuram bhavam asritaḥ; [Bg. 7.15]. People are not very serious. They're so much in ignorance that they: "All right, let it happen, whatever may happen. We may enjoy life." But this is not very good position. One should be, at least in human form of life, one should be very sober, considerate (of) what is happening. So out of many fruitive workers like this, one becomes wise: "Why I am doing this?" This is wisdom. That is the platform of knowledge, to inquire that "What is my position? What I am? What is my aim of life?" That is the position of the jnani, persons who are wise. And one, when one is fully wise, then bahunam janmanam ante [Bg. 7.19], after many, many births, when one becomes fully wise, bahunam janmanam ante jñanavan, when he's actually wise, jñanavan, then mam prapadyate, Krsna says, "He comes and surrenders unto Me." Why? Vasudevaḥ; sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19], he understands that Krsna is everything. Sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ;. But such person, such great soul, is very rare. Generally people are muḍhas. So from muḍhas we have to be elevated to the position of mahatma. So mahatma... And who is mahatma? That is also described in the Bhagavad-gita. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritaḥ; [Bg. 9.13]. Mahatmas, those who are great souls, they are not under the spell of this material energy. They are not attracted by these activities of piling and digging and leaving. They are interested with Krsna, Vasudeva. That is mahatma. Mahatmanas tu mam partha [Bg. 9.13]. Krsna says, mam. Bhajanty ananya-manasaḥ;. Their only business is how to satisfy Krsna. That is the highest perfection of life. If one is engaged in the business of satisfying Krsna instead of satisfying himself... Most people, they are engaged in satisfying themselves. Everyone in this material world. The so-called politicians, they promise that "I shall give you so many things." But actually, he is trying to occupy the post for his satisfaction. These are all false promises. Why politicians? Even in our family life we maintain wife, children. Why? For my satisfaction. As soon as there is discrepancy in my satisfaction I divorce my wife. Or the wife sees that "This husband is useless." She also divorces. So everywhere, the whole material world is going on on the basis of sense satisfaction. So the sense satisfaction platform is called kama, lust. And one has to elevate oneself from this sense satisfaction platform to the platform of satisfying Krsna, service to Krsna. (Aside:) Does he mind you? (?) So this Krsna consciousness movement is to teach people how to satisfy the senses of Krsna. Yes? Any questions?

Devotee girl: Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Yamuna: What does the sloka in Bhagavad-gita that says, action in inaction and inaction in action...

Prabhupada: Yes, inaction means we do not enjoy the result of your action. Jaya. Wherefrom?

Gurudasa: I don't know.

Prabhupada: Where is the original stock? ISKCON Boston, or maybe tapes. [break] He's Krsna. Ekale isvara krsna ara saba bhrtya [Cc. Adi 5.142]. (Hindi) [break] One God, Krsna. One scripture, Bhagavad-gita. One mantra, Hare Krsna. And one engagement, Krsna's service. That's all. (